HACKER Q&A
📣 klgt

How to make my website exist for 100 years?


I have personal website and a lot of writings that I want to keep, also for my children one day will read those. How do I make my domain + content exist for a really long time? Domain + Server must be paid of annually, do I need to switch to other way of hosting?


  👤 Terr_ Accepted Answer ✓
1. Have plain-text editions if you work, or at least files that can be mostly-understood by humans without anything more-special than a text editor. (And not, say, PDFs.) Anything that has to be a binary file, like pictures, should be simple editions of highly standardized formats.

2. If you need a website, prefer a static site generator. If you need a dynamic site, have a static exported version.

3. Don't count entirely on the hosting service, store offline copies (as a standard zip file) alongside other content of interest to heirs, such as a will.


👤 teovall
Wordpress.com offers 100-year plans. Hosting + domain is $38,000 or domain only is $2,000.

https://wordpress.com/100-year/


👤 theandrewbailey
Simpler is better. Ideally, it should be a static site, and hostable on any domain.

Failing that, choose technologies that have been around for a while. PHP, Ruby, and Java have been around for 20+ years, and are still going strong. There is no hope that anything touching Node or npm will run in a year.


👤 toomuchtodo
Write a book, send a copy to the Internet Archive, upload the digital version. Leave your kids the ISBN or Archive.org item identifier. Donate $2/GB uploaded if you can afford it.

You could also have the Internet Archive crawl your site to preserve it if the above is too much trouble, with it being accessible through Wayback.

https://help.archive.org/help/how-do-i-make-a-physical-donat...

https://help.archive.org/help/uploading-a-basic-guide/

https://hackernoon.com/the-long-now-of-the-web-inside-the-in...


👤 neuralkoi
You might be interested in Arweave or IPFS:

Arweave network is like Bitcoin, but for data: A permanent and decentralized web inside an open ledger. [0]

The InterPlanetary File System (IPFS) is a decentralized protocol, hypermedia, and peer-to-peer (P2P) network for distributed file storage and sharing. The shadow libraries Anna's Archive and Library Genesis host books via IPFS. [1]

[0] https://www.arweave.org/

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterPlanetary_File_System


👤 dustingetz
20 years - google doc with backups in your email and wherever your taxes and medical stuff is, and printed copy with your home records

40 years - print and bind the google doc in 20 years, store it with their stuff when they leave the house.

60 years - publish the book buy a bunch of copies and distribute

100 years - it needs to be a very good book


👤 firefoxd
I suggest you start converting your writing into short digestible Tiktok dance moves...

Joking aside, paper is resilient. Share your digital writings everywhere, then make paper copies that you can donate to libraries. If this fails, that's fine. You won't be around to see it.


👤 asdefghyk
RE How to make my website exist for 100 years?

Get it archived in Wayback machine and other web archive sites ....


👤 javaunsafe2019
So funny to See sone Folks Talking about the tech Stack when Hosting is the only Problem to solve

👤 yojat661
Encode your data as qr codes and etch them onto diamonds. Your data lasts virtually forever in the form of family heirlooms.

Using modern femtosecond lasers, you can etch codes as small as 250 to 500 microns. Total Capacity (5 Diamonds): 180 QR codes (36 per diamond) = 230 KB of data.


👤 ahmetomer
If you're wishing your writings to be read by your children, why not print them on paper — and so in duplicate amounts kept in different places — and that will eventually be found by them?

I think, in your case, it would be easier to keep physical copies of those texts than try to keep a digital version of them up for a hundred years. And far less expensive.

Also, you'd be leaving them a more precious thing. I'd be far more excited discovering papers that my father/mother wrote and left for me, than, say, seeing them on the internet.


👤 h33t-l4x0r
If you put it on Bitcoin blockchain it will probably outlast the internet.

👤 3eb7988a1663
If you are into super villainy, invest in a giant laser to etch your website onto the moon.

Create your own Voyager probe with a golden disk. If you can orient it to avoid any collisions, could survive to the end of the universe.


👤 dachris
The good thing is, with AI scraping everything today, it will be incorporated into the AI - so your content will continue to exist in the weights.

In that way, your thoughts will live on ...


👤 ironbound
Are books not websites in a way.. easy to print the articles and have it printed as a book.

👤 NamlchakKhandro
metal disks with bumps have lasted for over 200 years.

do that.

Stones with calendars carved into them have lasted for over 6000 years.

do that.

Obviously the only pragmatic solution is to enslave a whole continent and force them to create a pyramid with edifices of your likeness.

while that happens simply chase the moon to ensure the day.


👤 socalgal2
See https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1017715/Humanity-s-Last-Game-T... from 1hr and 17 second mark for ideas on how to make something survive.

honestly though, no one know how to make your "website" exist for 100years. Websites have only existed for ~35 years.


👤 qsera
The proper way to do it is how it was done always. Teach your kids. If they grow up and your teachings stand the test of time, they will pass it to their kids, and so on...

👤 buu700
Do multiple or all of the things mentioned in the other comments for redundancy, then set up a Delaware non-charitable purpose trust with a reasonably large endowment. Make sure your lawyers plan the trust carefully with reliable enforcement and position it to be well defended against "capriciousness"[0] claims.

0: https://lawprof.co/flashcard/what-is-capriciousness


👤 sssilver
https://sdf.lonestar.org has been around since 1987. They have a one-time lifetime membership fee of $36.

I feel like I would trust them more than probably anyone else for hosting a static website for a 100 years.


👤 noosphr
I convert it to latex and print hard copies.

For digital consumption pdfs are better than most sites and I just upload copies to the internet archive when I feel like it.


👤 gnopgnip
If you had the same goal ~25 years ago what would you have done? Are those top options still around or bankrupt, have their prices and services changed dramatically?

👤 mminer237
Putting static copies on Github Pages, Cloudflare Pages, and the Internet Archive would make pretty good odds it's preserved. The only real way to make sure would be to set up and fund some sort of trust to basically hire someone to run it after you're gone.

👤 ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7
write it to a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC or something similar and put it somewhere safe, like a bank, with a reader. why do you need to host it if it is for your kids? maybe a real answer is to pay someone or make some elaborate rube goldberg redundancy apparatus on some p2p mesh network or whatever.

👤 mattlondon
Pay someone.

Seriously.

They'll be loads of unexpected things that come up that can't be anticipated.

Just look at some of the websites that were abandoned in the early 2000-2010s but which are still actively hosted today but that are broken now due to modern browsers refusing to load cross-origin resources, or the server's ciphers are no longer accepted etc. They're still online, you just can't see the content with today's computers. You need a human (...or potentially an AI?) there to intervene and resolve those problems to keep it going.

Sure you might say well my writings are not using HTTPS or I don't make cross-origin requests, but that totally misses the point. Who knows in 50 years you may not even be able to read ASCII text in consumer browsers any more without specialist archival/library tools, just like we can't use what we're at the time totally legitimate SSL ciphers.

I think that archiving your writings is different from having your site active and casually available.


👤 kieckerjan
Solve this and you probably have a business. :)

👤 throwaawaya7
Have a bunch of kids and grandkids and raise them to honor your wishes. That's the only way.

👤 Brajeshwar
To put it as simply as possible. Try to stick to plain text as much as possible. Of course, let something like an SSG (Static Site Generator) handle the HTML conversion. Before you die, set/ask someone or an entity to host the HTML on a server that can host HTML (should be in 100+ years too).

As for the domain, keep renewing it a few years ahead whenever you remember. I’m sure there are registrars where you can add credit, and it auto-renews.

Personally (and I’m not sure and haven’t even started), I really liked owning and helping others own their digital assets online. So, I have been meaning to, or would really like to, start an Internet Business (registrar, hosting, email, forms, etc.). Thus, an entity that can live on after me, that does business while owning the current Internet Assets that I own now.


👤 imclaren
I suggest saving the files as text/markdown and sending them to your children as an email zip file. You could also print a book and give copies to your children and grandchildren.

“Only wimps use tape backup. REAL men just upload their important stuff on ftp and let the rest of the world mirror it.” - Linus Torvalds

When we go, our children will throw almost everything away. And this is ok.

Information regularly moves storage devices or dies. If your work is not already published / disseminated by the public then it will disappear.

And this is ok.


👤 Apreche
The best way to preserve something is not with technology or any particular storage medium.

The only way to ensure something is preserved is for there to be living humans who care about the thing enough to put forth the effort to preserve it.

Information that is stored in very fragile old formats is well preserved because there are living humans who are putting forth the effort. Information that nobody cares about, but is stored very securely, will be culled eventually as even libraries and archives have limited capacity.

If you want your personal website to be preserved, the best thing you can do is make it so good that your children, or someone else, cares about it enough to keep it.


👤 josefritzishere
This is the best HN questionn a long time. Great thought exercise.

👤 Minor49er
If it's for your children, why does it need to exist digitally for 100 years and not, say, 20?

The solution is to print out your writing, put the pages in plastic sleeves, and clip them into binders. Keep the copies in filing cabinets in separate physical locations. It's a one-time cost that isn't subject to digital media issues. You can't accidentally delete the writing or lock yourself out of an account that stores the files like you can with a digital copy


👤 OutOfHere
Just deposit funds into your hosting account to cover it. You can host a complex site for $5 per month. Even accounting for inflation, at an average of $20 per month it's $24K. If you deposit these funds into say Linode, it will be used.

Do the same for the domain name registration. If you can't deposit from a card, you can deposit crypto into Namecheap. It will auto-renew in 10 year chunks.

Make sure that systemd and the web server do not fill the disk with logs, that the logs are set to auto truncate.

Beyond this, for the unforseen, you will need an AI to administer the server or to migrate. The AI could operate from the same node and have access to run commands on the system. The AI could also have access to news announcements of the hosting and AI providers, access to much cryptocurrency for payments, to a controllable headless web browser, using all of which it can migrate to an alternative provider.

Of course none of this is necessary in your specific case if you can just print copies.


👤 JakubDotPy
On GitHub as markdowns. They run their "arctic vault backup" from time to time. May be viable option.