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Help me restore the LCD displays on classic samplers so I can use them


I have gotten hold of a few classic Akai samplers from the 90ish. Sadly, the lcd screens are either not working, or impossible to read, or faintly visible. This is a common problem think with a lot of electrics from the era. I will focus on the Akai S3000XL. Its near mint. Everything clean, wonderful buttons, mint condition inside. Turns on spins the cdrom drive, checks the floppy. but the screen while illuminated is entirely blank. I can turn it on and off, and I can adjust the contract. All of which I have done without any improvement. Now I can easily fix this buying a replacement here https://www.mpcstuff.com/lcd-screen-for-akai-mpc-3000-s3000xl-mpc-60ii-mpc60-led-upgrade/ But its $223USD plus shipping and customs. I cant afford that for one sampler and no way I can afford it for several. Here I need your help. I am a software guy, not knowledgeable on hardware. Displays in this form factor can be had for cheap. but of course it won’t work (I believe) with the connections, I need “hardware” that I can plug into the connectors for the display on the sampler, and connect it to a cheap display that can be had cheap now. I sort of wonder if a Pi could be used as the. Bridge hardware. I would be quite willing to have connects hanging out of the sampler as long as I could have screen that I could look at. Then I could use ut  (ugly ugly ugly and not ideal). How do these things work?

Are the original displays programmed in a “do this with pixel ,3,3” that is uniform at some level? Or are the displays more like a terminal? Is there a way to unify these things?


  👤 brockrockman Accepted Answer ✓
I did a backlight replacement on a S3000XL, a LCD replacement on S900, and found a cheap ($25?) LCD replacement for ASQ10 (same as MPC60/MPC3000).

Jazzcat + Ebay sell expensive replacements, but they are actually just cheap LCD displays with the driver circuit bypassed (since the MPC/sampler has a discreet IC) and an epoxy blob to prevent copycat work.

I need to dig up the wiring diagram, but the gist was from an EEVBlog forum post and only took an evening to reverse engineer.


👤 al2o3cr
I could only find a service manual for the MPC3000 (on archive.org), but the schematic in that one shows the LCD is controlled by an LC7981 display controller.

This interfaces with the CPU's bus and produces very low-level clock & data signals to the LCD panel (CL1/CL2/FLM/MB/D1) - basically a stream of pixels along with synchronization pulses.

Nowadays most "graphic LCD" modules will incorporate a similar chip on-board, so that they can present a simple 8-bit parallel interface.

Capturing + translating the signal would be tricky - it's not _terribly_ fast (240x64x60Hz) but there's no flow-control or error-correction, basically low-resolution video capture


👤 scarecrowbob
I hate to suggest that "it's not worth it" but that is often the case. I think it's fun to try and do, and it's taught me a lot. But if the goal is to make music, then it's maybe not the strongest strategy.

Yes, they were professional equipment. Yes some have unique workflows or analog stages that make them interesting.

That said, having fixed a lot of audio equipment in my life, there are a lot of off-the shelf parts for things and a lot of close equivalents.

For instance, the display in the Roland XP10 keyboard uses a pretty standard, segmented LCD controller. All I had to do was figure out how to connect the ribbon cable to some specific pins on the controller, set a color (because the controller I added was now backlit, which is an upgrade).

And then you discover that the plastic on the keys has some deformation over the course of 40 years, so everything is sticky and you need to get a dremal and rework every key.

In any case, I found that with these kinds of long term projects, your are often better off "going back to school":

get an arduino and a couple of different controllers that seem similar to the one in the devices you're interested in,

build some displays that are similar in topology to those displays

find the schematics for devices-of-interest

build some similar displays until you understand how the displays are working in those devices.

After you've done a little work like that, you can start to look at schematics and datasheets and figure out what kinds of parts that you're needing to implement the display.

IME, that's a couple of hours a week for a couple of months, but after that you're in a place where you can do what you'd like as far as avoiding $250 drop-in replacements.

Unfortunately, with your s3000, it may be the case that there is a different issue- the memory is non-functional (about 20 years ago, I had an s2000 go wonky cause the diodes in the cheap simm I put in it blew up).

Anyhow, if you're a software guy, then you know how to learn stuff- you're gonna have to give yourself a little hardware school before you can do what you'd like to do.

I found it fun, but in retrospect my time would have maybe been better spent making music or making money so I could afford time to make music.


👤 Animats
What you're paying for is the engineering effort that figured out how to put a more modern display in an old device. It's not an exact replacement. They tell you that. They even sell a new bezel to adapt this display to the old sampler. It's expensive because the market for this is tiny.

You can duplicate that effort. You can buy one, figure out what display they are using, and order more. You can order the bezel and duplicate it on a laser cutter. Is it worth it?


👤 avidiax
Looking at a photo of the screen[1], it is a simple LCD dot matrix. I also read elsewhere that the problem is that the backlight tends to fade. So it seems like you have many options:

* Find an equivalent LCD matrix. This is probably not that hard. This display seems like a generic part and LCD matrix displays haven't changed much over time.

* Fix the backlight. That would mean taking the display apart and probably resoldering some LEDs, assuming that it's the LEDs and not, say, a capacitor that is causing the brightness to diminish.

Going beyond these options, you'd be getting into decoding the commands to the LCD driver chip and displaying those somehow, which will be custom hardware development.

[1] https://www.asari.jp/diary/archives/007355.html


👤 mystified5016
Depends greatly on your level of experience with electronics repair.

In rough order of difficulty/complexity:

Simply remove the module, wipe down the connections with alcohol, reassemble. If there's a 'zebra strip', gently peel it off, clean both ends, reassemble. If you see improvement, repeat with care until all segments are alive again.

Replace the backlight. Depends on the exact module, but sometimes they're just simple LEDs that can be replaced.

Ensure the polarizing filters still work. You'll need to research LCD polarizing, it's more complicated than I care to explain in a HN comment. They can degrade and sometimes need replacing.

Beyond this, you're looking at an electrical fault or the display is just dead. You'd have to start probing the display driver to examine the signals. A good starting place is to replace all the electrolytic capacitors.

Barring that, you likely have a bad display module. Sometimes you can test them by connecting some pins to ground and just touching other pins with your finger. The static electricity in your body can be enough to flip segments on


👤 harel
I don't know how to specifically do what you want with certainty, but years ago I've managed to fix the unreadable LCD on my Roland MC-505 by baking it's board in the oven at low temp for a period of time. Look it up, it's a thing apparently. I was sceptical but it worked perfectly.

👤 mistyvales
It's worth noting that the screens are terrible, so the upgrade is well worth it.. but I get that it's a lot of money.

Check eBay - I got mine for much cheaper than MPC Stuff from a UK seller


👤 brookst
This Reddit thread suggests that the backlight may be the problem, not the LCD display itself: https://www.reddit.com/r/akaiMPC/comments/15zdlac/need_sugge...

Can you tell if the pixels are correct and there’s just no light? If so, the LED backlight replacements mentioned would be the answer.


👤 dmix
I got a replacement for an Akai S1100 for $90 but that might have been cheaper than 3000

There’s videos on YouTube with guides on using old iPhone screens to illuminate the old screens.


👤 aaronax
I don't have specific advice to give you. But a few of the videos on the Posy YouTube channel are highly relevant. He has fixed some vintage HiFi gear displays. Not in depth technical in the videos but maybe he has a community or something? EEVBlog forum would have knowledgeable people too.

👤 K0balt
On this vintage of equipment it’s almost always the backlight. See if you can see a faint image if you use a very bright light on it. If you can, you can probably replace the cfl tube with a led strip.

Also these displays are still available, but usually come with driver ic’s blobbed on. You can probably just bypass the blob or even mount the lcd module on the old board. (They usually just are mechanically attached ). Buy a couple of cheap character displays of the same size to practice tearing them apart. You should be able to find them around 5 dollars for the 2 line displays.


👤 brudgers
Buy one of the replacement displays. Figure out what off the shelf part they used and buy some of them from AliExpress. They are using an off the shelf part and marking it up based on their technical knowledge and selling into a market segment with less technical knowledge.

Give yourself time to learn electronics and how to repair instruments. Maybe it will be your new hobby and you will buy an oscilloscope. Maybe it won't. Good luck.


👤 lightedman
A lot of times the solder joints have aged and broken in electronics of that age. Are you competent with a soldering iron? You might have a simple reflow job.

👤 _Microft
If you want to convert the display, a Raspbeery Pi SBC is most likely absolute overkill. A microcontroller will do for sure and will be a fraction of the cost.

As I understand it, you just want to be able to control the device. Maybe keep the display as is, intercept the signals and forward them (wirelessly) to an external device for display?


👤 RecycledEle
There are hundreds of standards for the pinout, then there are dozens of standards for the bus, then there are hundreds of standards for the display commands.

👤 pinewurst
There are OLED displays available that have been adapted for a bunch of classic sampler/synths from that era to replace LCDs/VFDs.

👤 dmje
Could you cheat and get a software patcher for the synths? I’ve done this in the past for an old Ob1 with similar screen issues

👤 gizajob
This is hackerish but I think there are fairly specific forums for this kind of thing with experts and all the parts you need.

👤 thr0w
Try Gearspace.

👤 b20000
these samplers used to cost $3000-5000

if you are concerned about $200 for a replacement kit you should probably sell them to someone else