HACKER Q&A
📣 fire_lake

What is the most expensive off-the-shelf software you have seen?


I’m curious what is the most expensive off-the-shelf software you have seen?

I expect the answer to be some obscure B2B CAD program? Or perhaps an RDMS?

I realise it can be hard to compare due to difference in pricing models - pay per seat, pay per month, pay one off - but I think we can still have a good discussion.


  👤 tikhonj Accepted Answer ✓
Before Microsoft released the Z3 SMT solver under an MIT license, you could buy a commercial license for it for $9999 from the Microsoft online store, just like you'd buy a copy of Windows or Office, or, for that matter, an XBox.

Of course, that's nowhere near as expensive as lots of other enterprise software, but it was as "off-the-shelf" as you could get short of your local Fry's or Best Buy. No "call us for details" pricing, per-core licensing, recurring subscriptions and support contracts... just old-fashioned software sold directly as a product.

Unfortunately, I can't find screenshots now, so I'm just going off my hazy memories and the details might be a bit off :P


👤 Zealotux
The Bloomberg Terminal costs $27,660 a year (or $24k a year per user), and it's difficult to disrupt because most users are attracted by the built-in "social network" and access to a lot of premium data and features in one place.

👤 mrjay42
Half serious/Half Joke

- The Sims 4

Total cost is around 1200$ (with ALL DLCs, packs, etc.)

https://www.thegamer.com/the-sims-4-base-game-all-dlc-cost/


👤 linker3000
Adobe wanted £24K for a ColdFusion maintenance licence. We were code frozen into an old version and didn't actually need any support or upgrades as we were migrating to a new and different platform. They also wanted another £24K for the dev instance we retained in case any issues turned up with our old code. Adobe had changed licensing terms and so dev instances needed full licencing too. This instance was spun down for most of the time.

In effect, they wanted £48K for nothing.

Yes, Lucee was in our future, but I left before that came to be.

About 3yr after leaving that company, Adobe tracked me down via LinkedIn and my personal Web site and messaged me using my personal email address to put them back in touch directly with someone at my old job who could pick up licence negotiations.

I told them to phone Head Office - they said they'd done that but had not received a return call. I very politely told them to fu....go away as it was not my problem.


👤 bbarnett
Cadence software has various per-seat licensing schemes with a license manager. One can check out tokens to get enough for specific tasks, or in some cases needs specialized licenses.

Not sure about today, but there were licenses for highly specialized stuff for ONE seat @ $150k/year. Most were $30k/year.


👤 lll-o-lll
Creo Design Engineering Professional

$29,400, floating license (Annual).

Engineering 3D Cad modelling/design tool. I learned it when it was called Pro Engineer at University.


👤 flohofwoe
Autodesk Maya is currently about $1900 per year and seat, with some more esoteric Autodesk products going much higher:

https://www.autodesk.com/products

UE5 has a seat-based subscription model in the same ballpark:

https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/license


👤 jack1243star
What is the definition of "off-the-shelf"?

Above a certain price/importance threshold, the vendor will have engineers assigned to fine-tune the software to each customer's needs. Does that still count as one?


👤 devjab
I’m not sure Microsoft counts as off the shelf software because of the way licenses are structured, but if you buy a windows enterprise with office365 for your organisation it’s easily a few millions a year. Even for relatively small enterprises. It’s not the individual license that is necessarily expensive. It’s the total volume of licenses. They are divided into different license tiers and some users will cost much more than others, but it’s also something you where you’ll typically buy some sort of licenses for everyone.

This is unlike most other enterprise software. A lot of it has really expensive per user licenses, but if you’re only buying the full Adobe licenses for a couple of employees then it’s not really that expensive, at least not on the over all IT budget.


👤 GianFabien
I'm not a mainframe guy. I have only worked with enterprise scale Unix (AIX, HPUX, Solaris) deployments. Oracle ERP used by a multi-national manufacturer. SAP ERP used by a different multi-national and also at several government departments. Of course, these systems are also require Oracle RDBMS or IBM DB2.

The systems that I have personally worked with have all been in the $5M+ range. But that is just for the software licenses. There also are an army of very well paid consultants tasked with customising the system to the clients requirements. And then there is the enterprise hardware from IBM, HP or Sun (now Oracle).


👤 dijit
Maya comes to mind; total cost for my small team ended up more than an entire artists salary.

Another that comes to mind was when I was forced to buy “Mindmanager” and was shocked at the cost. Even the base licence was something like €1600/u/year; but the extensions are required, and paid.

Theres a bunch of “top” items of things, gitlab ultimate and sourcegraph being €99/u/m come to mind, which are off the shelf, and actually useful even for frugal people like myself.


👤 BXlnt2EachOther
Variation on "have seen" - a couple examples of historically expensive software that became accessible:

Over time DaVinci Resolve went from a hardware-software system costing $X00,000 to having a software-only version for $1500 in today's dollars to having two tiers, a free version and $295 "studio" version that is also bundled in with BlackMagic hardware and cameras.

($800,000 to Zero - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WvP5_HFQSk)

I suppose a half-million-dollar hybrid system might not be off the shelf. For things individual users could actually (edit: realistically) buy, the perpetual Adobe Collection license was $3k in today-money.

For Mac users, Final Cut Pro Studio 1 was $1299 and Logic Studio used to be $999, plus paid major version upgrades; probably multiply by 1.5x for inflation; now they're $299 and $199, or IIRC $299 together in a bundle for students, and they've each received free updates for a decade.


👤 triggercut
I was a CAD manager for various multi-disciplinary engineering firms in my early career, I can attest to some of the accounts regarding various CAD systems already mentioned.

One not mentioned that comes to mind is E-tap, used by electrical engineers. Well into the five figure territory once all the various bells and whistles were added.

However the most expensive software I ever saw in the wild was some little known simulation platform for a mathematician running predictive models (it also did this with 3D graphics, so both senses of the term) on mine/rail/port operational scenarios. That was into low six figures a seat and five in annual maintenance.


👤 agos
back in 2003 I saw an ad for Vienna Sound Library, a state of the art sample library for symphonic instruments. At the time, it was way already way out of my league, but the product has since grown and now the bundle sits at €10450 - the bundle for the pianos is €3195 by itself

👤 yread
OpenSpecimen (biobank sample management database, you could probably write it in a weekend or two) costs 150.000 USD on their pricing page

https://www.openspecimen.org/pricing/


👤 m_x
Petroleum Expert gave 10 licenses for the Move software [1] to my University for an advertised value of 1 872 218 £ [2].

It's not clear, but for what I recall, it wasn't even permanent licenses.

[1] https://www.petex.com/pe-geology/move-suite/

[2] https://phitem.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr/presentation/actus-ufr...


👤 fragmede
SOLIDWORKS comes to mind. It's roughly $5,000 a seat per year. CATIA is also from the same company (3DS) and is $8,000/yr.

There's also Photoshop, Resolume, and TouchDesigner, which are expensive, but nowhere near "the most".


👤 jareklupinski
There was this radio propagation mapping software that would show you how far a wireless signal could go if you placed the antenna somewhere in the world and gave it some parameters.

You purchased preset 'lots' of about a square mile containing accurate terrain data to run the simulations, and if you were interested in an area that saddled two patches, you had to buy both (iirc you couldn't just specify arbitrary coordinates).

I had to spend some time figuring out how few patches we needed to make it 'worth it', but I don't remember the final figure; it must have been in the 5 digits all said and done?


👤 gsck
Syncronym Depence comes to mind once you add in all the bells an whistles like its control module and fountain module, easily well over $11k https://shop.syncronorm.com/5-software

wysiwyg doesn't have quite the same bells and whistles but is $2k+ a year for just lighting previz https://cast-soft.com/wysiwyg-lighting-design/#compare


👤 namdnay
What do you mean by "off the shelf"? Sold without custom development? If so, a lot of enterprise software is sold "off the shelf" to small/medium customers

👤 pembrook
Just search “software companies ranked by total revenue” and pick the ones that are exclusively Enterprise or Government focused (eg. Oracle, Palantir, SAP, Any ERP in general, etc). Those will be the most expensive software products you can buy.

Enterprise software can easily get into 10s of millions per year for licensing plus implementation and consulting fees.

Or if you’re talking pure licensing on a per user basis, easily $10k-$50k per user annually.


👤 JodieBenitez
It's really data disguised as software but I worked in the automotive retail and some companies sell access to database with parts info through a web portal. Can't remember the exact price but it's in the tens of thousand €/year for a single access. I can remember someone was in charge to queue requests to this database, as a lot of people in the company needed parts info.

👤 bradgranath
Auto dealer information systems (the thing that replaced Factory Service Manuals for cars 15ish years ago).

You used to be able to pick up a series of 4 or 5 technical manuals from the manufacturer of your car for 100-200 bucks.

Now, with everything the cloud, they want subscription fees.

$1400 a year for Toyota Information Systems. $1600 a year for Stellantis wiTech. $2200 a year for Volvo TechInfo.

All for access to a database of PDFs.


👤 alexwasserman
At one company an excel add-in with a >$1M support cost was found to have a single user.

Turned out to be the CEO so we have to keep paying for it.

Back around 2009ish the company I was at sold a single enterprise license for our software for $10M. Average deal size then was probably in the $500k-$2M range.


👤 merizian
You can buy a commercial license for OpenPose for $25K/year https://cmu.flintbox.com/technologies/b820c21d-8443-4aa2-a49...

👤 readyforbrunch
For us it was okta. Not only in their subscription cost, but also because using okta meant we had to upgrade most of our SaaS subscriptions to their enterprise package.

Got rid of it, hired 2 people with a small portion of the budget that was freed up and never looked back.


👤 heisenzombie
It’s quite easy to spend 30k+ per license for some kinds of finite-element analysis software, particularly if you want lots of multi-physics capabilities (COMSOL) or it’s targeting some niche (superconducting quench analysis, some kinds of RF analysis etc)

👤 ddmf
There was a QS tool that was in use by a council 20+ years back that cost about £15,000 per seat.

The serial dongle that they used - possibly hasp iirc - hadn't been implemented correctly, so ultimately where was a CMP EAX,1 / JNZ that was easy to NOP.


👤 re-thc
Oracle!

👤 Ekaros
Hmm, did not see price list but I would guess Defensics... Which for every suite would get really expensive.

Seems like approximately 10k per suite, per seat, but I think there is some room for negotiation.


👤 leros
When I was in college, I took an integrated circuit design class. I was told the software we used was around $1M per license. We had to go into the lab and use Sun computers to use it.

👤 patapong
Nice try, Sam Altman ;)

👤 threeseed
Was a WebObjects developer back in the late 90s: $100k/license adjusted for inflation.

Out of the box arguably still better than today’s web stacks.


👤 znpy
One i personally bought was SecureCRT, I am quite fond of it. It costs 250-300 euros though. It's worth such price, though.

👤 barryrandall
Back when I bought such things, SQL Server Enterprise Edition was about $30k per CPU socket, Oracle about $40k.

👤 davidguetta
My friend sells 300k / year licenses for his tax optimisation ai program to to french companies

👤 dver
As other have said, PLM and CAD tools are very pricey.

Palantir is a recent hight water mark I've seen as well.


👤 satya71
Most semiconductor EDA software cost > $10k per seat, sometimes > $100k per seat.

👤 lostmsu
I heard of cryptocurrency code analysis tools with $250k/y+ licenses

👤 wenbin
I'd start with a public company that has very few customers.

For example, Palantir


👤 oceanjams
Bitcoin, but I can't seem to make it do anything.

👤 MaxGripe
Alias|Wavefront Maya Unlimited (now Autodesk Maya)

👤 shortrounddev2
Maya

👤 dataintellect
kdb+/q - only hedge funds/investment banks use it.

👤 altyne
IBM