HACKER Q&A
📣 sirobg

Should HN black bar become community driven?


With recent Jim Simons passing, I noticed some comments were asking @dang to display the black bar in his memory.

I then looked at previous mentions of the black bar on HN, and it seems that it is quite often subject to discussion.

Thus, should HN black bar become community driven?


  👤 vsnf Accepted Answer ✓
No, but it would be nice if the bar had some kind of tooltip associated with it denoting who it's for.

👤 andy99
Benevolent dictatorship is always better than democracy for online forums.

👤 anotherhue
No, I don't want to hear about moderator infighting or political point scoring.

We're in dang's house by choice.


👤 siva7
That would seem like an over-engineered solution to a niche problem. Let's be honest, most of the time only a small portion of users know and care who passed away.

👤 stavros
No, I'm fine with ballparking this. It's not like the dead care either way.

👤 000ooo000
No. Not everything, especially something this inconsequential, needs the input of a community. I actually can't think of a bigger waste of resources. A committee of elected folk to decide if someone's death warrants a 50PX bar being black?

👤 polotics
Online communities with reasonable debate are under attack by state actors, HN is no exception.

In this context, no matter how well meaning the proposal is, opening an avenue for acrimony here is not something we can afford.


👤 hwbunny
Forget the black bar. Give love and respect to people while they are alive, not after. They can't do shit with your virtue signaling once they have passed away.

👤 hwbunny
A better thing would be a person of the week. So HN curates a list of bigdik people who achieved something and show one per week for 2-3 days.

👤 internet2000
No.

👤 Havoc
Honestly 90% of the time I have no idea who these people are

👤 deadbabe
It should just be algorithmic. If the front page has an article with the word “dies” and there is a persons name detected, and the article has a certain amount of comments, then show the black bar. Easy.

👤 politelemon
There should be no black bar. It creates pointless discussions and politics and arguing, and destroys the intention for which it was introduced.

👤 rossdavidh
One is reminded of the "flying flags at half mast" custom (in the U.S., at least), where it has happened more and more often over time. Should all flagpoles just be made twice as high, since some good person has died every day of the year? It's a hard problem. Fortunately, it is also a problem that doesn't really _have_ to be solved.

Letting @dang (or whoever it is) decide is not a perfect system, but it's probably as good as any other. Imagine if either Biden or Trump died, the storm that would ensue if one side wants the black bar and the other is outraged at the idea.


👤 andsoitis
> should HN black bar become community driven?

How do envision it would work? How much effort do you think is it worth building out and maintaining such functionality?


👤 krapp
Nothing on HN is community driven, why should the black bar be an exception?

👤 beeboobaa3
Yes, ever since dang explicitly refused to honor Terry Davis, the disturbed genius who authored TempleOS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS