> Odigos (YC W23) Is Hiring Lead DevRel Engineer
Like passing a terrible car accident, I found myself rubbernecking as I scrolled by. They couldn't actually have created a title like that for the job I think that is, could they?
> Responsibilities:
> Content Creation: ...
> Product Advocacy: ...
> Community Engagement: ...
> Support and Training: ...
Oh, yes, they totally did just rebrand developer advocate as an engineering role.
I'm curious to know from those who are in similar roles or who are in positions that allow choosing titles: Why do companies do this? Does giving a community-engagement role an "Engineer" title actually get more or better candidates to apply? Does it somehow increase job satisfaction? What motivates people to use the word "Engineer" in the title when there's nothing even vaguely engineer-y in the job description?
https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/keyval/jobs/MOo8djB-lead-devrel-engineer
All sorts of jobs have rebranded.
Janitor -> Janitorial Engineer
Garbage Man -> Sanitation Engineer
Cheater -> Rules interpretation Engineer
Guard -> Correctional Officer
Programmer -> Software Engineer
It's just a word, this one is on you for thinking the word is special.
And I don't think it's relevant to discuss other-industry-specific engineer qualifications or what it means in Canada - if you are in an industry/country where the word engineer means something special, then this is a non-issue because it's enforced by laws and regulations. If you aren't, you're applying the standard in a place where it's not applicable.
When someone tells me they're an engineer I ask about how hard the PE was. That's when you find out if someone is an actual engineer from a legal perspective or just affixing the term to themselves.
I'm in Alberta, Canada and my understanding is "Engineer" is a protected title here. My team was made up of some programmers who had actual engineering degrees, who had Software Engineer as their job title. They wore the ring and everything. The rest of us were "Software Developers", which is honestly really fine with me
We wound up merging with a company based in the USA, including merging with their software team. Of course all of their programmers were "Software Engineers" but none had actual engineering certification.
I brought this up with the department head at one point. I was concerned that the new programmers with Engineer titles would be given more weight compared to those of us with Developer titles, despite not actually having any additional credential over us. I was assured that would not be the case. In fact he acted appalled that I would even suggest something like that. After all it's just a title and of course everyone is too smart to get blinded by job titles
Anyways you can probably guess how it wound up playing out in reality
Job title worship is a real thing
That’s when I switched from programmer to software engineer actually.
People will stretch titles as much as possible. "Senior" engineers who have 2 years of experience after a coding bootcamp. "Managers" and "Directors" in marketing/HR/finance/etc who are 24 years old and have no managerial responsibility. Nurse practitioners who want to call themselves "doctors".
In this case "engineer" is the stretch title that provides that value.
Engineers have become something like Product Technologists, or a generalist technical person that must also produce and manage a slice of the overall product from idea to launch and analytics. It would be great if the role was formalized and it added guard rails to the industry in order to avoid this never-ending evolving definition of the role.
I think it comes from the same desire to call yourself "tech company", it is a signifier about how you see yourself. The difference between an X and an X engineer is that the X engineer sees himself as approaching the world in a rational and technical way. In some sense it is just an euphemism, to make something mundane sound more professional.
We were having a big dinner with a bunch of folks at a restaurant downtown after a wedding. My friend must have used the word "engineer" as least 5 times in 30 minutes while talking to some people that we had just met.
My friend's father interrupts him and says: "you keep calling yourself an engineer. You're an industrial engineer. That's like winning $10 after playing a rec league baseball game and then calling yourself a professional ball player."
Awkward moment at first but I think it was absolutely hilarious.
The problem is using it as a prestige tag without requiring the skills. The company is wasting resources if they do so.
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