HACKER Q&A
📣 rglullis

Why can't the US government run their own social media?


With the news yesterday of POTUS joining threads.net and with the fanfare about the possibility of following him from other AP-compatible servers (like Mastodon), I was left wondering why is it that the White House couldn't just run their own services?

Doesn't "POTUS is using threads for social media" feel a bit like "POTUS is using outlook.com for email"?

Is there anything about the bureaucracy that stops their some small team to setup a Mastodon server on "social.whitehouse.gov" and make this a reality? I find it hard to believe that this would be "if it got hacked it could create diplomacy issues", because I don't think that Facebook is setting up any type of special infrastructure to deal with political figures on their platform. Also, none of this seems to be a problem for some of the EU governments.

Maybe I am missing something. If there is someone among you working with the US Goverment or aware of how their digital initiatives work and can shed some light into this?


  👤 jonahbenton Accepted Answer ✓
Policy rather than technical issue. US has first amendment, other regimes do not. What will the moderation policies on that instance be? How nazi or porn does someone's post need to be to be "censored" where in this case it is actual censorship since it is a govt managed instance. What degree of promotion by govt constitutes propaganda? How much energy would be wasted litigating these arguments. Just completely infeasible from policy standpoint for a US govt entity to operate a public publishing platform.

[edit] And yes, a Presidential candidate owning / operating / profiting from / accepting laundry and bribes on / such a platform is- should be- completely unacceptable.


👤 runjake
> Maybe I am missing something

I think you're missing something. Think about it.

Here is the White House's social media: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/blog/

The US government is in the governing business. They are not a social media company and don't have the desire or resources required to become a social media company and attract the substantial user base they'd need to get people to pay attention.

> Is there anything about the bureaucracy that stops their some small team to setup a Mastodon server on "social.whitehouse.gov" and make this a reality?

I'm sure they've looked at doing that and probably decided that Mastodon is a relatively miniscule player and their efforts were better spent on the existing commercial social media platforms.

And they presumably get Mastodon coverage by hopping on Threads. (if that promise ever came to fruition. I don't know because I don't pay attention to Mastodon anymore, aside from looking at their MAU stats.


👤 DeadSuperHero
I'm actually writing a piece about this today for We Distribute. The long and short of it is that it's not impossible, there's just a lot of red tape.

Whether it's a government entity, or a large corporation, you're going to have the same issues with procurement:

* Finding software that fulfills requirements on auditing and security requirements.

* Selecting a vendor that fulfills a laundry-list of contractual obligations / legal requirements. They'll need to honor comprehensive Service Level Agreements for government access, and be proactive in patching, deployment, and mitigation.

* Integration with a government-grade Single Sign-On solution like ID.me

* Onboarding resources for agencies and individuals, plus tooling for social media teams

* Setting policies that respect the First Amendment, while also moderating things like hate speech, pornography, etc

The other hurdle for this is funding and staffing to run all of this.

None of this is necessarily impossible, and I think something like this could be really beneficial. But, I don't think the ecosystem of the Fediverse (from a platform or vendor perspective) is necessarily there yet. I'd love to be proven wrong.


👤 softwaredoug
There's a million reasons

By definition a social network tries attract a large user base, controls a feed algorithm, ostensibly has SOME information on its users. Social medias sites typically also need SOME moderation, gov't moderating speech would be a nightmare in the US. And you throw in the weirdness of government being in the loop in our social lives. We also already have precedent on NSA, etc and not completely unfounded paranoia on government tracking its citizens.

So you not only would have the perception of government controlling speech, including worries about whatever administration is in control managing that speech, you have the boogeyman of social media and gov't tracking in one centralized place, gov't "in our private lives", and a million things anathema to American culture.

Mastodon instance, mostly for official communication with the fediverse seems fine though.


👤 austin-cheney
Why would they want to? Really.

Look, if you are young I suspect you cannot imagine a world without social media. If have never left your apartment or still live in moms basement I suspect you cannot imagine a world outside your computer.

Social media has only one purpose: advertising revenue. That ball of wax is not something the adults in the room want to waste their time with.


👤 sirspacey
Politically? Because government run media is anathema to the American public. Even government adjacent media gets crucified in politics, PBS being an example.

It would also be a moderation nightmare because of the massive amount of precedent, laws, and regulations about official government comms.

The real unsolved problem of social media is moderation. If we could crack that, it might make sense to offer it as a public service. Until then, it’s just a lawsuit waiting to happen.

That said, TikTok has clearly gotten Congress thinking about it.


👤 idontwantthis
I think publicly funded social media is the answer to so many problems.

Q: What are you allowed to post? A: What congress and the courts decide you are.

They are actually beholden to 1A, but you still can’t commit crimes.

More importantly, it takes the profit incentive away so “engagement” doesn’t matter anymore. The sites will always be there so they don’t need infinite scroll short video blasts to keep you entertained for several hours a day.


👤 joshxyz
hmmm a good comparison is russia's vk and china's equivalent. being in charge of the platform makes it prone to censorship, it's a conflict of interest. in fb twitter telegram it's a bit more balanced.

👤 speedylight
No one would use a government run social media, especially in the US.

👤 qwertyuiop_
Its state sponsored speech. something communist countries like China and North Korea do.