HACKER Q&A
📣 throwaway2948

Is AngelList Legit?


I've been investing in a few startups through AngelList. On the platform you can invest in startups, through a special purpose vehicle which invests in the startup via a SAFE.

Recently a syndicate lead posted such a clueless update on a startup (claiming their product passed a milestone it clearly did not, based on just reading their public updates), that I started doubting whether they've actually invested in it at all.

This made me question the platform. How do I even know these leads have invested my money in the startups they say they have?


  👤 UofA4161 Accepted Answer ✓
I've invested in over 100 startups through syndicates on AngelList in the past few years. It's not possible for a syndicate lead to steal the money. AngelList collects directly from the investor and wires directly to the company. Plus I've been paid out 6 times from exits.

But you can definitely make bad investments, just like on Robinhood. Except in angel investing, odds are you're never going to see that money again (like 1 in 20 startups makes it).

Also try to remember that you and the syndicate lead are most likely a tiny check to the company, so you aren't getting information rights. You're essentially just along for the ride. Buckle up.


👤 walterbell
Wikipedia mentions their impact on U.S. fundraising law, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AngelList

  In mid-2012, Naval Ravikant and Kevin Laws, AngelList's chief operating officer, were active in Washington in his support for the Jumpstart Our Business Startups Act (JOBS Act), a law that eased many of the United States' securities regulations with the aim of making it easier for companies to either go public or to remain private longer while continuing to raise capital.
Some stats, https://techcrunch.com/2023/07/28/angellist-expands-into-pri...

  Assets supported for investors on AngelList increased by 50% to $15 billion year-over-year in 2022.. [AngelList] turned to venture to fund its own growth — raising a $100 million Series B co-led by Tiger Global and Accomplice at a $4 billion valuation.. AngelList has 130 employees.

👤 sixhobbits
The platform itself is "legit" in the sense that it has real people well known in the tech community behind it. I personally would be very surprised if they are running a blatant scam in that they are lying about the SAFE investment.

However I wouldn't be at all surprised if the smallprint somewhere in a long chain of paperwork means that you will never get any financial return in your "investment". There are a few platforms and crowdfunding platforms that let retail investors put small amounts of money into startups and I have never heard of a single case, even from an anonymous netizen, of anyone getting money back from such a structure.


👤 wutwutwat
It was legit when it first came about, I know that much, and was started by well known and trusted people in the tech scene back then, but any platform that has money flowing through it will undoubtedly be found and utilized by folks who aren't legit, looking to scam, or to otherwise move money between hands.

I'm not saying AL has that, but it's old enough now to where I'd be surprised if it didn't have that. Same is true for GitHub Sponsors, Patreon, GoFundMe, etc.

These platforms are all ripe for laundering imo. Investment or sponsorship funds go in dirty, and come out the other side as clean income complete with year end tax documents. Again, I'd be more surprised if this isn't happening on these platforms, but that doesn't mean the platforms are not legit either.


👤 486sx33
I have seen investments come through, I don’t doubt that.

The company I know that got the funding I would not have invested that kind of capital in , ever.

Then again that’s VC for you, a long list of failed ventures and a shorter list of impressive huge returns on investment.

I subscribe to very conservative accounting principles, I get insanely fixed on burn rate, I cannot sleep at night if my company is in the red. If everyone thought like me innovation would be at a humanity level low. Huge credit to all founders, it is a big mind fuck.


👤 throwaway2948
I would try contacting the startup to confirm they have received investment via AngelList, but conveniently their terms forbid you from contacting startups directly.

👤 gws
I’ve withdrawn money from AngelList after distributions, the platform is legit.

👤 tinyhouse
I think you're asking two different things. AngelList is legit. They have a popular investment platform many legit investors use and many other products and features.

The private syndicates on the platform is a different story. I would be very cautious with my money. If you don't know and trust the people in charge, you better off investing your money somewhere else. I doubt most of them can make meaningful returns, yet alone not losing money.


👤 CaptainOfCoit
Never assume you can trust all the parties on any platform, due diligence is ALWAYS required, no matter the source.

Just because AngelList can be trusted generally doesn't mean every entity on there can be trusted, there are always a chance for things to fall through whatever protection they have, and then you're on the hook.


👤 dumbfounder
One of the investors in our pre-seed used angel list to push their investment. They had a small fund ($10m) and I think they used it for the legal structure. The platform is legit, but I am your ymmv on the startups that raise money there. But that is true for any startup you are investing in.

👤 olegious
Don’t confuse angellist with the crowdfunding platforms. Crowd funding platforms are used by companies that can’t attract legitimate VC investment, angel list are real VC syndicates that send accredited investors opportunities to invest in specific deals.

👤 itake
I've invested in 1 startup via AngelList, because I personally knew the founder. In my particular case, it is legit. They have not raised any new rounds of funding nor have there been any liquidity events unfortunately.

👤 stevengraham
Angelist is legit. Syndicates and even VC stakeholders aren't always on-point with what's going on in a company. Take it with a grain of salt. They're human beings and have many irons in the fire (keep that in mind with risk mitigation).

👤 jpatters
I raised some money via angel list at my last startup. From my perspective, it is legit. We certainly received the money.

👤 EmilyDriggers
Thanks for answering, I also want to know it.

👤 cj
My company was on the receiving end of $500k syndicate from AngelList in 2015-16.

Part of the problem re: updates is companies aren’t required to provide them. We’ve had individual syndicate investors reach out to us demanding to see our financials (even though they individually invested only $5-10k). Before they reached out directly to us I’m sure they went to the syndicate lead first.

TLDR: I don’t think it’s a scam. But it’s 100% frustrating that companies don’t always provide satisfying updates because (simply) no one is making them.


👤 pestatije
theres a very easy way to find out: take your money back

👤 Aeolun
I mean, it’s been around for a while, and I haven’t heard negative things.

That doesn’t necessarily translate to trusting them with money though.


👤 include
I am also curious about this.