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Nitter officially declared "over" today – alternatives?


There were often "rate-limited" errors that hadn't completely prevented the site from being usable since the nitter people said the site would go down eventually.

Now however there is an official declaration on the site itself: https://nitter.cz/

Due to the reasons stated by Nitter itself on their repo, it seems unlikely there will alternatives.

Are there any currently?


  👤 rchaud Accepted Answer ✓
It's over.

It isn't just Twitter, it's every single website that's turned themselves into a login-walled "application".

Twitter's relative openness lasted a long time. It was open by default because it is a product built in 2006, when the idea of coralling people into walled gardens to show them ads didn't exist.

Apps built later take the concept of "walled garden" as a default feature. Slack , Discord, Snapchat, Tiktok, Telegram .... all largely closed off platforms. You can't see anything unless you're logged in.


👤 thom
I mostly have the same attitude to this as I do to sites with ridiculously aggressive cookie popups… I don’t need to see the content, I can just go for a walk in the sun instead.

👤 wl
There's two distinct Nitter use cases I need to replace.

1. Someone drops a link to Twitter. Twitter hides threads and throws items in some weird non-chronological order—assuming I don't get a login wall. I need an unfucked UI.

2. There are some content I can't get anywhere else that I follow through RSS. I wish these people would move elsewhere, but if they haven't by now, they probably won't ever.

I may just run a local instance with an account created for the purpose if that remains viable, but associating all that with a single login/IP address is something I'd like to avoid.


👤 aftbit
Yea I just don't read twitter content anymore. Same thing I did to facebook. There's some really good stuff on there that I miss, but it simply isn't worth it to me. Easy enough.

👤 dspillett
For the same reason given for Nitter stopping, it is unlikely that you'll find a public service like that. There are nitter-like options, including forks of nitter itself, that you can self-host to give a better UX, but with those you have to have a twitter⁰ account for it to login with.

Another option (that also requires an account) is to use twitter⁰ itself with a browser extension that tweaks the UI.

My solution is the one I've been using for a _long_ time: simply don't go there. It has never been more than a novelty-gone-wrong, unless you count “a cesspool of humanity” as more, and as far as I know I've not missed out on anything significant. If you want me not to know what you have to say, say it on twitter⁰! Though I acknowledge that this is not an acceptable solution for all.

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👤 bloopernova
Twitter became the defacto public square, so it's understandable that there's inertia for society to keep visiting.

This particular public square has been bought and fenced off. Ostensibly this is to drive more traffic to it.

Passively standing outside the fence trying to peek in is a lost cause. Find a new public square and convince as many people as you can to move. To do that, engage with those who moved, and create compelling reasons to go to the new public square.


👤 vehemenz
Public-facing tweets are a huge part of Twitter's value proposition. Between this, removal of verification, and publish.twitter.com being broken, I wonder how many of the biggest outlets and organizations will continue to abide Twitter's decline.

👤 KomoD
> Now however there is an official declaration on the site itself: https://nitter.cz/

FYI: That's not official, nitter.net was, and there are other instances of Nitter that still work.

https://status.d420.de/


👤 Fischgericht
I find it insulting that it is still allowed to submit "links" to Twitter posts on HN. It is a pervasion of the concept of "Links". You are teasing something that might be of interest that then can not be read by a majority of users.

While Nitter still worked at least people here could then post alternative links. Now that Nitter is dead, that's no longer an option.

And therefore people really should stop submitting Twitter links here. Instead contact the author and ask him to at least cross-post to some accessible platform. How hard can it be to cross-post to Mastodon, Bluesky or ... OMG, a website?


👤 joeframbach
I have Tampermonkey scripts that delete Twitter entries from HN and anywhere else on the web. Seems to work well for me.

👤 rglullis
The developer from bird.makeup is asking for donations of account tokens: https://www.patreon.com/posts/call-for-special-98167212

I'm also thinking about adding twscrape support to my https://github.com/mushroomlabs/fediverser and extend its mirrors to Mastodon servers, but to be honest I can not afford (money- and time-wise) to get into yet-another project without some minimal financial support.


👤 1vuio0pswjnm7
Nitter was officially declared "over" yesterday. Why can I still use it today?

https://nitter.poast.org/Kantrowitz/status/17581675175146582...

Twitter sucks. The "alternative" IMHO is to refrain from submitting links to "tweets" to HN. No one wants to visit Twitter.

The idea of "exclusive" content on the web is extremely difficult to accomplish. The internet is a giant copy machine.

The history of the web shows that popular websites lose popularity.

These mega-websites amassed considerable wealth during ZIRP-->COVID period. Now let them burn through it all desperately trying to stay popular.

Time to move on.


👤 sva_
I usually check this list: https://status.d420.de/

👤 INTPenis
libreddit is suffering the same problem. Some instances are still working but they're probably switching outgoing IPs often to evade the ban hammer.

As others have noted, I think this is part of a larger trend. All websites have realized that data is power, data is money, and they don't want to share anymore.

I used to host both nitter and libreddit, now I host neither of them. I've simply given up on reading that data.


👤 not_your_vase
What are you looking for? If you want to be anonymous, your are SOL unfortunately. If you are looking for a less crappy browsing experience than Twitter, and Nitter filled that void, you can find forks which fetch content with your Twitter account. Setting up for local self hosting doesn't take a lot of minutes.

👤 Tommy430
Ah, can't wait for more login walls, oversized UIs, and more "Please Subscribe" crap. Thanks Twitter.

👤 ActorNightly
There is enough decent resources on Twitter to warrant signing up IMO. I just avoid installing the app so I don't end up browsing it.

👤 matheusmoreira
The alternative is the fediverse. Just drop twitter. Anything of value in there will eventually make its way outside anyway.

👤 theodric
I simply have a Twitter account (linked to a purpose-specific @goatse.email account, if you must know) and I log into the app on my phone and the website on my computers. This allows me to see all the content I like. I appreciate the position of the folks who want to use a third-party client (Christ's sake, I'm the author of Twittirix, the unpopular, entirely unknown, and now-dead Twitter client for SGI IRIX) but engaging with reality-as-it-is rather than lamenting the inaccessibility of reality-as-I-wish-it-were is a supremely useful way of interfacing with the world.

👤 AlienRobot
I think you have 3 alternatives:

1. Create a Twitter account.

2. Stop using Twitter.

3. Use Facebook, Tumblr, or Mastodon for microblogging.

Twitter started requiring a login screen to view posts, but it's not the first website to do so. Pinterest and Instagram have done this for ages. We all hate it, but it's business.

I wonder why Tumblr isn't more successful than it is. It used to be a pretty well-known platform, and it's almost identical to Twitter, but while every celebrity seems to have a Twitter account, nobody seems to have a Tumblr account. Perhaps they do, they just don't tell anybody about it?

I wish Mastodon wasn't a thing. I believe federation is a terrible idea for normal computer users due to its non-obvious dangers, specially as more people will begin using Mastodon as if it were Facebook. I saw on Reddit that someone is building an open source, non-federated Reddit clone. That's what I think would have been better: an open-source, non-federated Twitter clone. Does anybody know of something like that, by the way?


👤 throwaway5959
Alternative: Stop consuming any content from that shitty platform?

👤 nanolith
Twitter is doing its best to paywall and authwall content. Fighting this is a losing battle. I think that the best alternative to Nitter is probably learning to live without Twitter. For the folks you used to follow, try reaching out to them to see if they are willing to also send updates on other platforms. If they are, great. If not, well, it may be time to let them go.

For public accounts that are still using Twitter, definitely write appropriate representatives to request that they use more open means of disseminating important information. Twitter used to be the "public square", but its actively hostile behavior toward lurkers and non-paying members means that it no longer serves this purpose. In turn, public accounts that use Twitter aren't reaching as many people as they used to, and in time, will reach fewer and fewer people.


👤 jug
I recommend you to look for alternatives to X rather than alternatives to access it. It's several months now since I closed my account and I find news and discussion in other social media and news sites now. X is a less big deal than one might think.

👤 etc-hosts
you could run your own instance of rsshub

https://docs.rsshub.app/


👤 bhaney
> alternatives?

Stop consuming Twitter posts


👤 jimmySixDOF
Twitter under the X revamp has exactly two available legit API plans.

$100/month and then $4000/month.

Nothing in between. And you can't just layer $100 packages for more API calls when you run out.

So the idea of being a 3rd party friendly API 2.0+ is just a joke because access is either too limited to be useful or to expensive to find out. Meanwhile their rate of internal innovation seems to have reached zero or slightly negative. What a joke the content is becoming more valuable than ever but what you can do with it is practically in decline.


👤 smashah
around the same time, twitter social cards started working. maybe there's a way in there.

The promises of Web 2.0 are dead and megacorps are killing them.

Adversarial interop is a digital human right and Elon is taking that away from us. Shame on him. If he can't run a business without stepping all over our API rights then he shouldn't be in business.


👤 syoc
Host it your self. I'm doing that with libreddit. Gives me much better performance than the highly used public instances.

👤 2024throwaway
Mastodon

👤 ttiurani
For the past few weeks I've been using

https://twiiit.com/

to find independent nitter servers that can show tweets of the few academics I still want to follow.

Now Twitter might soon break also these small third party servers but for the moment, they still work.


👤 rldjbpin
say what you may but i never used twitter because you needed to login to lurk properly all this time anyways.

moreover requiring mobile number, at first for specific regions but then for everyone, was a deal-breaker which kept me off, and for good reasons in the long run (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31510865).

i would like to think that i am not the only one not using the platform all this time to get my news. to be fair i do get shared some links to tweets but at least until this debacle you could read them without too much trouble.


👤 bluish29
I thought that the official instance (nitter.net) works and that it works but visited it now, and it seems it doesn't have a valid certificate since Jan24th.

👤 satvikpendem
I just made a Twitter account. I don't care to post anything in it, I just use it to read tweets that websites post or embed, such as on HN.

👤 btzs
Maybe someone wants to earn some karma by pasting the content of the tweets here? Similar how it happens with the archive.ph/today links.

👤 maxglute
RIP. It would be nice if twitter actually have useful monetization system, a few dollars to get lists into daily digest.

👤 SkyMarshal
Maybe this one? https://nitter.unixfox.eu/

👤 1vuio0pswjnm7
When nitter.poast.org announces it is going offline, I will believe "Nitter is over". (Unless I find another instance that works.) Meanwhile I'm still using Nitter.

👤 abdollaht
Why is there no mass boycott movements against these corporates

👤 logicalmonster
If your concern is quasi-anonymity, get a burner phone to create your social media accounts.

👤 rc_mob
individual users can ifttt to another site https://ifttt.com/connect/sendie/twitter

👤 wkat4242
What about threadreader? I used that a lot when I still used Twitter.

👤 qprofyeh
I wonder if archive.ph could work for at least the original tweet(s)

👤 colpabar
If you don't like twitter, why not just not use it? I guess it sucks that you can't click twitter links, but honestly, you're not missing anything. Whenever I jump through some hoop to view a tweet linked here, it's not worth it.

👤 andersa
Why do you need one? It takes a few minutes to make a Twitter account and keep browsing. You probably spent more time writing this post.

I'm glad I won't have to deal with people posting these off-brand Twitter links anymore.


👤 vcg3rd
Started using Twitter in 2006. [Long story] Quit around 2017. Privacy Badger extension blocks embeds. Used to allow occasionally until I noticed it was never worth it and finally stopped reading "news" sites that were sentence|tweet|s|t etc.

Used Nitter for a while for the reason many do: to see that 1 tweet or thread that sounds interesting. Realized it either wasn't or was a little FOMO.

When I was a kid if you missed a good movie in theaters you had to wait years to see it on TV. I've started returning to that mentality. If it's genuinely good enough and interesting enough it will turn up somewhere eventually or I'll just miss out.

I can't number the people who have told me I must subscribe to AppleTV to watch some Ted show no one talks about any more. I always said: "No. It will turn up on some platform I use or come out on Blu-ray or I'll just never see it." For all I know it's on Blu-ray already. I forgot about it until just now it's been so long since I must watch.


👤 hanniabu
Farcaster

👤 paulnpace
Use a completely different platform. Find users providing content you like. Follow them and interact.

Either Twitter opens back up or segments trickle off the platform.

I used nitter only because it loaded faster and displyed raw cronological order.

Life existed before Twitter was created. You can do it.


👤 rideontime
The alternative is to finally abandon twitter for good.

👤 vdaea
nitter.cz is one of many mirrors. The official site was nitter.net (which is down as well).

👤 mindcrash
Twitter, oh sorry X, died on the day everything went completely batshit insane, politicized and radicalized anyway. To the point people got (and still are!) permanently suspended for no good reason at all.

Such a shame, ~10 years ago it used to be tons of fun with some really good discussions in the mix.

But times are really changing I guess. And not for the better.


👤 crypt1d
Farcaster has been a nice refreshment for me. Currently a lot of developer types are present on the platform and I've seen lots of insightful conversations there.

👤 archsurface
I don't see that the suppression of thoughts in these comments is any better than the claims against twitter.

👤 ineedaj0b
Look. I don’t know how else to say this but just make a gosh darn account.

Twitter is good. IF you control your follows. Don’t follow more than 100 people. If someone pisses you off multiple times, unfollow.

If you don’t want ads, you have to pay. But this keeps the lean twitter org afloat. The ads are not intrusive

If you pay you get no ads.

All that said Twitter has gone off recently for me, the content not as good but I bet it’s because I broke my ‘never follow more than 100’ people rule and I get low quality tweets more often. I’ve also been clicking on dumber posts so it shows me more dumb stuff… I appreciate the Algo being rough in a way - it forces personal curation by myself

JUST MAKE AN ACCOUNT