HACKER Q&A
📣 NarcisMirandes

Why do Sam and Greg need Microsoft?


Starting their own company seems much more attractive. Many would love to fund anything they create.


  👤 ChildOfChaos Accepted Answer ✓
I assume the same reason that even OpenAI needs Microsoft - Compute and GPU access.

If they started there own company, they would then need to do a deal with someone like Microsoft anyway, so why not just work at the source and then you get priority on that.

Plus as a secondary, Microsoft's access to OpenAI's models, I believe they have certain rights, so it would mean they are not starting at zero again.

Starting a new company, no matter what the talent they bring, with no compute resources and starting from zero puts them way behind in what is a flat out sprint / race at the big tech companies at this point, not advisable.


👤 hypoxia87
I think it comes down to prioritizing speed of execution in the race for AGI, especially in the context of two constrained resources:

1. Compute (H100s are almost impossible to get ahold of, especially in the quantities they'd need to train a competitive model)

2. Data (OpenAI has a very rich set of user data from ChatGPT that is necessary for creating a model like GPT-4; a new venture would lack this data -- the cold start problem -- but Microsoft may* have similarly usable data from non-enterprise Bing Chat)

* Someone please feel free to prove me wrong on this - I'm not aware of a MS policy saying they won't use Bing Chat prompts for training, but it could very well exist.


👤 aristofun
It's the other way around. Why Microsoft needs them.

The answer is obvious and resources to make it happen are immense.


👤 brudgers
I think allows them to mostly pick up where they left off and protects them from whatever (if any) outside influences had a hand in creating the events of last week.

On top of that they have people at Microsoft in their professional network.

And lastly and perhaps most importantly, Microsoft is not a Silicon Valley company [1] and navigates the world by different winds.

[1]: Neither is Amazon.


👤 NarcisMirandes
Can this way have access to some "intellectual property" through Microsoft? If they go independent, they will have to build many things again.

👤 minimaxir
GPU compute