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📣 abbadadda

Any alternatives to Duolingo without gamification?


I like Duolingo, but the delays between each session, and the number of buttons I have to push between each learning session, are absolutely killing me. I’m already paying for premium, so no ads, but each time a session ends the number of buttons I have to push just to get out of “rewards”, committing to a streak when I don’t want to, or getting some gems or acknowledging some news feature, are killing my desire to learn new languages. Is there any way to turn off the gamification on Duolingo? Or reduce the number of buttons I need to press to get from one session to the next? Or, alternatively, are there any language learning apps that avoid this gamification? I do like Duolingo’s progress tracking, and gradual buildup of vocabulary. I’ve tried making my own flashcards in Anki, but that’s a ton of work and it’s hard to factor in any language roadmap element on my own. Duolingo is not bad, but the percentage of time doing things other than learning, specifically pushing buttons and waiting for or watching animation, is far too high. I’d love if I could just turn all of this stuff off.


  👤 prymitive Accepted Answer ✓
I feel your pain, it was getting worse and worse over the years and now it’s just trying to game as much “engagement” as possible. Feels like screen time is the only metric they have.

I switched from Duolingo to Busuu for my Japanese learning and it’s so much better. They did add leagues to it too but you can just ignore it.


👤 garyfirestorm
Mango is a nice alternative. I have access to Mango via my local community library (I am in US - Michigan)

👤 satvikpendem
There are Anki decks for most languages, what are you having trouble with?

👤 rgovostes
Fluent Forever is an alternative to Duolingo which is based on flashcards which you customize from app-provided vocabulary and sentences, and are presented to you in spaced-repetition intervals. (The founder based the method off of his own experience learning languages with Anki.)

The gamification is less than Duolingo. When I complete a review it praises me for my keeping up my streak, and they also added achievements. However there aren't gems, premium upsell ads (it's a paid app), etc.


👤 ckz
~B1 French here with Duo being an important step on the way.

The trick for Duolingo is to use the desktop version and disable all the "helpful" bits you can or at least use the browser version if on mobile. Desktop had far fewer gamified bits than the app as of a year ago (the new UI broke my workflow and I dropped it). Gems weren't a meaningful thing, etc.

In particular: Use your keyboard for everything. You'll probably want to be able to type in the target language anyway and it helps you avoid the trap of being really good at pattern recognition instead of really learning all the grammar quirks.

You can disable both animations and the leaderboard gamification in the settings (the latter by setting your profile to private). CSS/uBlock can help hide other distractions, add dark mode, etc. as needed.

It takes a bit of intentional work to unbury the learning tool beneath but Duolingo itself, especially if you have a general idea of how to go about learning a language, is still really useful.

Super helpful link that I used along the way as well (not mine): https://runwes.com/2020/02/11/howilearnedfrench.html


👤 rozenmd

👤 yieldcrv
ChatGPT4

ask it for a 12-week curriculum and have it go through it with you

It can do languages and you can get google to pronounce things, and ChatGPT again to explain unexpected nuances

when multimodal is rolled out to your profile, you can practice handwriting too


👤 pling87
I've enjoyed using Clozemaster - it's an app that uses the sentence-mining concept advocated by Glossika. It has some advanced material and has been a good language learning tool somewhere "in-between" Duolingo and Anki.

👤 klakierr
Not exactly Duolingo alternative, but: I'm currently building an an app for language learning by reading books. It takes an (your) ebook and inserts translations:

—Arthur —dijo con tono cortante, ["Arthur," he said sharply.] y su voz sonó como el chasquido de una ratonera—, [and his voice sounded like the click of a mousetrap.]

There is zero gamification, as it's not needed - you're motivated by the pleasure of reading.

It won't help you to learn to speak (there is an option to read aloud a selected phrase though), but it will help you with vocabulary. I went with it from not being able to read even one page, to being able to understand 70% of a book (intermediate Spanish level) in about a month.

ATM looking for beta users, completely free of charge. Pls leave a contact in a comment if you're interested



👤 jsyang00
You might have better luck with an app specifically for your language by an indie dev

👤 random_
I recommend Lingq. Support to many languages, you can add your own texts, simple and clean interface and nice for begginers and advanced users. The owner is quite a nice person too.

👤 skydhash
I moved back to audio courses (michel thomas) and grammar workbooks. Worked very well

👤 blah_why_not
language penpal sites.

It's not an app... but rather learning with others.

Advanced-level language learners may want to transition into actual real live conversations-- it's so you can spontaneously learn new concepts, expressions, and vocabulary.

I used to use a good penpal-language learning website called MyHappyPlanet. It was back around 2007-2010-ish, and the site no longer exists.

But looks like there are alternatives here:

https://www.fluentu.com/blog/foreign-language-penpal/


👤 schwartzworld
Pimsleur has rebranded to an internet product, but the old Pimsleur tapes are great if you can find them. I started learning Armenian with these and it put me on the right track.

👤 eb2
Really surprised nobody has said babbel, great app with a good mix of grammar, explanation, useful vocabulary and spaced repetition based review.

👤 romesc
I really have to plug the method of Comprehensible Input (CI) [0].

Specifically, Pablo Román's effort to make this viable for Spanish [1]. I started before there was a website or anything, just watching free youtube videos. Now I'm definitely B2 or C1. I subscribe partially just to show my support even though I mostly consume native-level media now.

Similar and helpful along he lines of CI are [2] and [3].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_hypothesis [1] https://dreamingspanish.com [2] https://refold.la/ [3] https://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/


👤 patapong
I quite like Mosalingua: https://www.mosalingua.com/en/

Much more focused on vocabulary, and learning things that you will use in daily life. And less gamification as well.



👤 tomwilson
I like "Hello Chinese" but as the name suggests, it's just for Chinese :D

👤 jlpg81
Hi, I have an app you might want to check out: https://flreader.com/ It works by reading books and clicking to translate the words you dont understand. The app is new, so I set up a group on reddit to receive feedback on the app, so please pass by and tell me if you enjoy it!