HACKER Q&A
📣 MichaelBaer

After 3 years of crypto trading, how to return to the normal job market?


Hello guys,

It has been a crazy ride. I'm basically an (crypto) algo trader. This was kind of a dream. Made it true. Worked well. Did it on my own.

Now would like to have a "normal" job again. Maybe in Data Science or Robotics (although no exprience, but this would be very exciting). Anyway.

What do you think. Should I mention that I was basically unemployed the last 3 years and did crypto trading?

I think from the technical part, it was very challeging. Also I was able to beat the competition for quite a long time.

On the other hand, I can't prove anything I say and there is no reference that proves that I actually was that good.

How would you handle this? I mean it is kind of weird to be honest.


  👤 DamonHD Accepted Answer ✓
Do you have trading records good enough for your tax authorities? Those might be enough.

I think that the desks that I worked with in the City (derivatives, credit, high speed trading), though a while ago now, would be interested in your experiences for trading many things. They'd probably have to interview you hard!

(I've only been on someone else's payroll for a short time, maybe 5% of my working life, so that is not a problem if you showcase it right, IMHO.)


👤 gus_massa
> I was basically unemployed

Did you get money to live from cryptocoins trading? Then you were "self employed", not "unemployed".


👤 sokoloff
There's a paradox that if you're telling the truth in the interview, there should be no reason for someone to feel the need to question it. The story will hang together, nothing will stick out as odd, and you can get on with talking about the tech you used, the skills you have, and the fit for the new position.

If someone needs "proof" of something that you know is true, you don't need to work for them and it's likely some kind of "dance for my entertainment" rather than a genuine "I'll hire MB, but only if he can prove this one thing with paperwork."


👤 noodlenotes
What was the technical work you did? Was most of your time spent on market research, coding, blockchain, or designing/implementing algorithms?

I would pick one or more job titles that are both relevant to the job you're applying for and to the work you did and put those on your resume, e.g.

Crypto trader/blockchain developer/investment analyst (self-employed)

- Developed trading platform with X latency

- Implemented blah blah algorithm

- (Throw in more metrics about how you were able to beat competition)

The proof is the skills you built along the way, the same as any job you put on your resume. In data science, at least, we're rarely asked for references. Don't think of yourself as unemployed during that time, and especially don't call yourself unemployed.


👤 rich_sasha
You could look for a job in quant trading outside of crypto.

Or even within crypto, there's still plenty of big reputable firms doing it.

As for track... half the interview will revolve around technical questions and knowledge of the markets - which sounds like you have. As for track - how did you trade? On chain? You could provide wallet address. On CEX? You could make screenshots or sth. But frankly Id think evidence won't be the stumbling block.

Having done it self employed will only make it more impressive.


👤 bradgranath
"On the other hand, I can't prove anything I say and there is no reference that proves that I actually was that good."

What the actual fuck is a blockchain for if you can't prove anything with it??


👤 j_crick
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👤 fragmede
> Should I mention that I was basically unemployed the last 3 years and did crypto trading?

I wouldn't frame it that way. If you made enough money to cover your rent and living expenses, and weren't collecting unemployment from your local government, then you weren't unemployed. You had a non-traditonal, remote/work from home job, that others would be envious of. Just because there's no office, no boss, no timecard doesn't mean you were unemployed. I'm betting you spent many many hours in front of a computer to get your Algo edge in order to make money. That's called a job.

> On the other hand, I can't prove anything I say and there is no reference that proves that I actually was that good.

It's on the block chain. Make a transaction and sign it with the hash of "I'm Michael Baer and " so if anyone doubts your story, you can tell them what the secret salt is so they can follow the transactions on the chain itself if they don't believe you're the owner of the wallet you say you are.

The beauty of companies that use leetcode as their hiring bar is that a smart person who didn't get an ivy league degree and doesn't have traditional experience they can put on their resume means that you can still walk in the front door, ace the test, and get a job.

On your resume, dig into what you did as an Algo trader. What code you had to write, what data analysis you did in order to get that edge, etc.