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📣 anondeveloper

Broke up with cofounder. Can I use remaining money to pay our devs?


I worked with my cofounder for 6 months on a B2B product. And we broke up 2 months ago. We only raised 50k from angel investors and still have around 35k of it in the company's account. Over the last 4 months working together, we used overseas contractors to develop the early MVP and product demo. We owe them around 26k for that work. Can I use the remaining company funds to pay them?

Under normal circumstances, this would be a no-brainer. But there are some details that can make it trickier. My ex-co-founder has mental health issues I wasn't aware of when we started working together (we met at a founders meetup in SF and he seemed pretty normal by then). I politely decided to stop working with him after finding out and hearing horror stories from mutual connections and his previous employers (lawsuits, threats, etc). After I broke up with him, he became a completely different person: he tried to contact the university I graduated from to get my title revoked, tried to get me fired from my job and tried to forcefully make me sign a contract waiving all my shares, ip and rights to the stuff we both worked on (I didn't sign it). I'm not mentioning this to complain but to paint a picture of a deeply troubled person who will do anything to cause as much damage as possible if things do not go their way.

I want to pay our contractors what we owe them, but I am slightly concerned I'll get sued or in any other kind of trouble if I use the remaining funds to do so. My main question is: should I pay them? What is the worst he can do if he disagrees? Can he sue me? Report theft? We don't have any cofounder agreements signed, the only thing we have is the company and the bank account (we were working on the paperwork but never got to sign it). And we don't have signed agreements with our contractors. But, we have a working demo and all the code they delivered.

Thank you!


  👤 DamonHD Accepted Answer ✓
Ethically, IMHO, if you owe monies to third parties for undisputed work done, you should pay that.

But as said in another response, hire a (not-too-fancy) lawyer or a company liqudator to constrain how messy this may get.


👤 Jeremy1026
You're definitely going to want to talk to a lawyer. This could get muddy, heck it already is muddy. I'd want representation before I did anything in your situation.

👤 caprock
Most company types will have concrete details for defining ownership proportions (controlling interest) and/or assigned roles with broad but clear allocations of responsibility and authority. Hopefully you have similar contracts defining the rules of engagement with your angel investors.

If you're worried about litigation and liability, fall back on what the concrete legal docs say you can do.

If not done yet, step one should probably be updating the company docs to reflect the reality of the founder separation. This of course requires negotiation of an agreement with your cofounder unless you set things up where you have controlling interest already or want to outsource it to a lawyer.

If you clarify the region, company type, and whether the separation was formalized, then folks might be able to provide more specific advice.


👤 bombcar
Get a lawyer. And delete this. You've already admitted too much in a public area.

👤 JamesBarney
IANAL but I think it depends on the break up. If you resigned from the company then that means you don't have any legal control of the funds. If you are still a valid officer of the company than paying debts you owe shouldn't be an issue.

Not paying the offshore devs could also theoretically lead to a lawsuit. A lawsuit for not being paid is an easier lawsuit to win than suing a business partner for paying valid expenses the company had accrued.

But you should definitely talk to a lawyer.


👤 dustingetz
the contractor debts have preference over common equity. no need for lawyer here as the company is valueless after debts paid- assuming investments on SAFE the company (assets and cash) is worth less than the valuation cap and investor anti dilution has kicked in so they will more or less get any remaining money back and common shareholders (you and departed founder) are zeroed out. Assuming software co, open source everything wind down the corp file tax return get tax clearance and start over with the OSS IP and get your agreements in place this time. You can pay $500 on upcounsel for a lawyer to tell you this if you like.

👤 mcsniff
Disregard any advice you receive here that doesn't tell you to get a lawyer.

Get a lawyer.


👤 TheFullStack
This is not advice but as someone who does a lot of contract work, it is repugnant to me that a "client" even consider the option of simply not paying for services rendered. By your own account, those services were rendered in satisfactory manner. The fact you are considering lurching on payment puts you in a worse light than all the faults of your co-founder in my view.

Honor your commitments.


👤 evanwolf
there's legal accountability and there's moral choice. would you screw over contractors and investors to protect yourself from your decisions?

the contractors aren't the only stakeholders at risk in this choice. how do your investors feel about this situation? what's their moral compass?


👤 andrewstuart
How is the answer to this not obvious?

You bought services from people.

You have the money to pay them.

It’s a genuine question… who is it that looks at this situation and is unclear about whether to pay the people whose services you have already consumed?

If their invoices are due go pay them NOW.

Imagine you built some software for someone and when it comes time to pay they say “hey I’d really love to but I’m in a legal situation with my cofounder”.

That’s completely unacceptable. Pay your people.

And honestly if you don’t know the right answer to this question then you shouldn’t be in business.


👤 hermannj314
Go find a lawyer and give them your money.

They have spent all of human history creating a cartel for solving problems. Never let the cartel know you tried to solve a problem without paying their toll, otherwise things will be made worse.


👤 nik736
Have some decency and pay the money you owe. They worked for it! It's not their fault.

👤 danbmil99
Assuming the company is in California, the laws are very pro-worker. Find a lawyer to give you advice but I suspect it's completely kosher to pay your employees before anyone else's claims on the cash. It's also the right thing to do.

👤 mannyv
Before talking to your lawyer, talk to your investors.

Do you have signing authority? And for how much?

Who signed for the accounts etc?

Ignore the people here. The overseas contractors aren't going to sue you. Your ex partner won't either.


👤 DoreenMichele
Do right by the contractors.

Nothing you do will somehow make him behave well. Pissing off a whole lot of other people by screwing them financially out of fear of his reprisal means now you have more enemies and a black mark against your character on top of a nutcase hounding you who will do insane, abusive garbage for irrational reasons.

Any protection you have from him lies in not screwing others in the name of covering your ass here.

He's going to keep trying to hurt you no matter what you do. Others will protect you or not to some degree largely based on your behavior.


👤 jtchang
> we broke up 2 months ago

Let's talk how that actually works in a business sense. Did you leave the company? Relinquish all control? Did you boot the cofounder out or did you buy out their portion?

What type of arrangement is this? Partnership? LLC? How did you register the entity?

"Broke up" doesn't really say anything.

Assuming you were in a partnership and you both have authority to make decisions on behalf of the company then you are free to just pay the contractors. So is your cofounder. Unless your governance documents indicate otherwise this is 100% valid.


👤 westmeal
Pay them.

👤 aagha
Pay people for the work they were contracted to do.