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📣 donnie12345

We had mass layoff but companies are still complaining about shortage


Explain this Mass layoffs but still we have labour shortage


  👤 version_five Accepted Answer ✓
Companies want to pay as little as possible. I have a shortage of household staff because I can't find any takers at the $10/day I'm willing to pay for a butler.

👤 smoldesu
The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.

👤 datadrivenangel
The shortage is actually lamenting about the cost curves.

"We could get so much value if we could hire skilled people at half the market price!"

Same thing has been going on for cyber security specialists for the last few decades. Serious shortage of candidates for entry level roles with 10 years of experience.


👤 the_only_law
Layoffs were mostly in tech no? I don’t see much complaining about a shortage there anymore. Certainly not compared to some years ago when every HN idiot was copy pasting some phrase about software eating the world in response to concerns over the future of the labor market.

Mostly I see this from places offering low skill work, and IME, there’s a host of problems there. Pay is one everyone talks about. A lot of these crappy jobs looks like they pay more than they used to. I see very few jobs paying minimum wage anymore, but they don’t seem to hire full time workers anymore. Funny enough $7.25/h at 40 hours is more than $15/h at 30 hours. There’s also process issues. Not sure I want to go into all that I’ve noticed right now, but I really believe these companies are lazy as shit and could help themselves by being a little more proactive and adaptive to the current market.


👤 soulchild37
Shortage of Labours at the desired salary of the hiring company, cue "Nobody wants to work anymore! (at $10 /hour)"

👤 ActorNightly
During the pandemic, when money was cheap, the game is to invest in growth. Why? Because if you don't get there before the other company does with the cheap money, you potentially lose out on future revenue.

Money dries up and now the game is to survive, so layoffs begin. However that doesn't mean that projects that are profitable aren't in need of developers. The market rate forces higher pay, but you actually need to make a product that sells, which requires people that know what they are doing, which was a challenge even before the pandemic.


👤 alex7734
They're short of skilled people that want to work for free basically.

👤 confidantlake
There are no labor shortages, they are lying.

👤 austin-cheney
I have a few different perspectives on this.

When I was at Travelocity a million years ago I was involuntarily reassigned from a design job to a developer job. I had to teach myself how to program. I did horrible that first year and got a horrible annual review. Then came the economic disaster of 2008 mortgage crisis following on the tail of $4/gallon of gasoline fuel crisis. Mass layoffs followed and a ton of people were pushed out the door. Not me. As a front end developer I was essential and hard to replace. This was before jQuery and giant frameworks that did your job for you. You just had to be vaguely competent and nothing was going to do it for you.

I have noticed in hiring compatibility is more important than competence. For example you could be a brilliant developer who solves amazing problems and delivers greater value than entire teams of developers. At most corporate employers those are talking points for late in an interview after you have survived resume death and leet code filtration. Far more important is whether you can write Java like a fresh college grad with 30 seconds of experience. Shortages can happen when nobody wants to work in that kind of environment or when prospective employers dismiss talent looking for something that resembles the interests of that Java loving fresh college grad but with 10+ years of experience doing actually important things. We can call that poor expectation management, bias, or misery looking for company.

Sometimes employers hire people just because they need bodies in seats. They need people pounding on keyboards typing things because there is menial work to be done. These people do serve a purpose, but they are expendable. Easy to hire is easy to fire. You can still have critical shortages of people who actually write original software, which is confusing when everybody has the same title and gets paid roughly the same.


👤 watters
There is a shortage of workers that the companies desire to hire.

That's not necessarily the same thing as a shortage of workers who have a particular set of skills.

The difference is usually related to social conformity, particularly deference to authority. Employers prefer workers who, when asked to work late, work weekends, or work on ethically murky projects will do so with relish (or, at least, without objection).

There may be a shortage of those.


👤 mattbgates
Oftentimes, it has to do with the company trying to save money. A "senior position" might be paying $80k/year, but fire the senior guy and hire two juniors or people fresh out of college and pay them $30k to $35k/year and some companies see that as a "savings" rather than the experience that $80k/year senior was bringing to the table.

During COVID-19, my company had a mass layoff and several departments underwent "restructuring", even laying off our sales people, but never replacing them. For months, we sat with very little work, just hoping we still had our jobs. Fortunately, it has picked up, especially as I took my required PTO, in which the only night person beside me got so busy, she had to leave jobs for the morning team, which technically shows the justification of why I have my job and her and I need to stay working together.

There are so many reasons why companies might do this... but it really all comes down to CEOs coming in and working with a finance team, where all they see is, "This department is bringing this amount, while paying this amount, and we want to see more profit... so we have to let X amount of people go."

After they laid many people off, they got rid of our bonuses and no more raises. As a result of this, I take up any work when it comes to freelancing or working a second job. Also in my downtime, I spend time on my side projects in hopes that one will eventually do what I need it to do in regards to bringing in enough income to supplement what I make at my current job.

This is what 10 years of loyalty to a company gets you now.


👤 nine_zeros
Poor execution by execs and upper management. They will never accept their own failures.

👤 rhelz
There are no shortages in a free market.

👤 graymatters
There are no labor shortages. It’s a way for large tech companies to control salaries of the skilled workers.

It allows to lobby the notions of need for workers’ visas to bring in cheap labor. This cheap labor is then much more easily controlled (visa conditions, e.g. H1B - cannot easily leave workplace, several years to transition to next immigration status, yet more years to citizenship).