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📣 paperplaneflyr

Do we need to revisit Agile/Scrum?


Everybody is using Agile/Scrum in one way or other. But at times this in on paper in agreements. Do you think if a new process is need in this new age. Do we need to sketch out new framework.


  👤 SideburnsOfDoom Accepted Answer ✓
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👤 buzzlightyear
Personal experience is that although agile and scrum are widely used, most organisations use these as frameworks to build a custom approach. Biggest problem I always find is lack of accounting and governance transformation to support agile, these two are always typically waterfall, so then you end up with agile technologists versus waterfall business = waterfall with sprints. For agile to really work, every part of a business needs to adopt it, from board down.

👤 richliss
Yes, but the problem is that the organisations will only listen to McKinsey and they have a motivation to not solve the problem but to merely adapt it and bill the client again.

Agile is one of the few significant shifts in business where the board members are unaware of the creators and don't hire them in to consult authentically. I think only Kent Beck was hired by Facebook at a somewhat senior level, and Ken Schwaber spoke at Google a couple of times for mega money. It really should be a thing where every manifesto signatory is a consultant to big business at board level.


👤 t312227
hello,

in my experience, agile/scrum is great - in theory.

in "the wild"/in pratcies its mostly implemented in a way, which "pleases lower & upper mgmt" but doesn't take into account the features necessary for the team to be able to work smoothly.

so: not agile/scrum need to be revisited, but the implementation of agile processes / scrum in companies/projects etc...

cheers, t.

ps.: and lots of companies want to do "scrum" with far to few people / small projects - mostly situations, where imho. kanban with a backlog would be sufficient and especially more effective.


👤 SideburnsOfDoom
Let me ask you: Do you think that Agile/Scrum is not being re-evaluated / revisited by anyone at present?

👤 i_have_an_idea
Agile/Scrum is one of those things that are impossible to criticise. You come up with a well-reasoned critique of a particular scrum deficiency and there's always some Scrum Expert that pops up to tell you that you're not doing "real scrum" and, therefore, your experience is invalid.

At the same time, I have now done software engineering for over a decade, in many roles and teams, and I have never seen Agile or Scrum to lead to the development of a good piece of software. I guess we were using it wrong.


👤 flappyeagle
The problem with real life implementations of scrum is: managers apply it in order to get poor performing teams to deliver.

This does not really work as it does not address the root cause of poor performance, which can vary greatly.

It’s never worked.