HACKER Q&A
📣 tomcam

Is my collection of mobile devices a fire hazard?


I have a disturbingly large collection of old tablets, phones, & laptops in my basement--probably 50-75 altogether. It's the detritus of a big family and having to test my software on lots of devices. The basement is a constant 55 or so degrees F.

Since we've learned that lithium batteries can apparently just explode spontaneously, should I take some sort of action? Remove the batteries where possible and... store them somewhere? If so where? And what about old iPhones where the battery isn't very accessible?

Or am I just paranoid?


  👤 hoofhearted Accepted Answer ✓
Nope, you should be fine.

As a past electrical journeyman turned device engineer in a device lab about 5 years ago, you should be fine as long as all of your power supplies and cords are properly rated and not overloaded.

The only issue I ever had was a large 120v to usb-a power bank had an internal fan cease up after a number of years. In my past data center experience, a lot of server room fires were started by ceased bearings and increased heat, as well as the load spike from the locked rotor current.

We shut the power bank off and ordered a new one. And we didn’t leave it running unmonitored or overnight while we waited on a backup.


👤 karteum
Just to mention: there was this article (in French but you may use google translate) about fire hazards in disposals related to used lithium batteries...

https://www.lesechos.fr/industrie-services/energie-environne...


👤 AHOHA
To have your smartphone batteries buldge? Maybe, especially Samsung, to have these batteries suddenly explode? Unlikely especially for laptops, phones/tables is still probable. If I were you and want to just make sure all is safe, you can buy some of these li-ion bags/containers that are fireproof, and store the batteries inside, and label them with their devices. I do that in addition to drones batteries, some of them are 6kg each!

👤 Lariscus
At the very least I would invest in a ABC or BC fire extinguisher. You might also want to consider storing your devices in a fire proof container like a metal box.

👤 dryark
I've been working with mobile device farming for a few years, and I have not heard of or seen a device that is powered down spontaneously combust despite having many with "puffed batteries". I definitely am concerned that such a battery or device containing such a battery can spontaneously combust but it doesn't generally seem to happen.

That said, I would definitely get rid of any swollen batteries or devices that are swollen ASAP. You can tell with phones as a swollen battery will generally pop the phone apart from the pressure of it.

As others are saying, you should also take precautions whether it happens or not. Place the devices in metal containers, pottery, or fireproof bags. Don't place them in a cardboard box filled with a bunch of other flammable items next to a shelf of books...


👤 aSockPuppeteer
https://www.consumerreports.org/safety-recalls/why-lithium-i...

I have a few old devices too and just had a spicy pillow issue. Now it’s in a metal bucket waiting to be disassembled.

Manufacturing defects + thin anode/cathode wall. A quick search https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S09504... came up for batteries in storage exploding risk. Long read, increasing in occurrence.


👤 pestatije
worry not, once the battery runs out of juice there's no fire hazard

👤 graybies
If you are really worried just throw the batteries in a bucket of sand.

👤 jasonjayr
IIRC lithium batteries will bulge and/or ignite when charged + charging?

Do depleted, disconnected batteries suffer the same risk?


👤 quadral
Can't you use browserstack for testing? Surely that's more convenient to use.