HACKER Q&A
📣 alephnerd

Is anyone else noticing degradation of comment quality on HN?


Over the past few weeks, I've been noticing a severe degradation of post and comment quality on here.

I made a similar post a couple years ago, and it has only gotten worse - the amount of flame bait has definetly risen, the amount of attempted karma gaming+SEO has risen (eg. The K8s blog thingy), and the quality of discourse has fallen with a massive number of long standing low karma accounts proliferating.


  👤 nkurz Accepted Answer ✓
I've been here a while, and I haven't noticed any sudden recent changes. There have always been such posts, and while I do think it's getting a little worse over time, it's changing very slowly: the good posts and comments are just as good, but the ratio of junk is slightly higher as volume has gone up.

I wonder if this might be specific to what you pay attention to. If I remember, you are Indian. I do think that there is more squabbling about Indian politics than there used to be. This isn't necessarily for the worse, but I wonder if you might be noticing and reading these posts more than others.

And while it doesn't quite answer your questions, I think HN Classic still works as a link: https://news.ycombinator.com/classic. This is the front page sorted by accounts that existed prior to Feb 2008. At a glance it looks about the same as the usual front page.


👤 jpamata
I wouldnt say so. I think it's the same HN. Although when it gets political, I've noticed that the discourse does degrade a bit faster than it used to be for such topics, for there's a bigger pool of users who'll get provoked by the opinion

👤 joebiden2
From my perspective it hasn't.

It's mostly if topics land on the front page which are controversial, then the comments will generally reflect that. Also, I have the impression that another subset of HNers tends to discuss on such topics, while others - who I associate with the more typical HN style - generally refrain from joining such a discussion, amplifying the effect.

In short, my take is to avoid controversial topic discussion forums and stick to the rest.


👤 hayst4ck
I think for 99.9% of comments it hasn't gotten worse, but there is a .01% that has definitely gotten noticeably worse. There's around 5 accounts I can think of that have been egregious lately.

I'm actually surprised how well flagging works. I don't make a habit of flagging people and I flagged someone's posts that were particularly flagrant the other day and it worked rather well. I always question "is flagging a powerful tool that needs to be used sparingly?" and the experience taught me that we should probably be a little bit more liberal with flagging.

Of course flagging like all power comes with responsibility, so if flagging is used irresponsibly (for disagreement rather than quality), then that power harms the community.

If you use these things, I think it's important to ask "am I part of the September cohort?" "Am I doing this to protect values like curiosity?"

The algorithms involved in down-voting and flagging are clearly advanced enough that they can prevent some abuse.

There is a notion of "is ___ something you are, or is ___ something you do?" It can be applied to almost anything.

Is curios something I am, or is curiosity something I do? It is important to practice curiosity, not to simply "be" curious.


👤 Berniek
I am more a lurker than a poster... What I have noticed is wander. Comments start to wander off topic and "evolve" into comments on some consensus comment rather than the subject of the actual comment. Having said that it is so hard to make commenters to stick to the subject. Comments become full discussions, rather than well, just comments.

👤 user2147483647
Hate to be that guy... But from the guidelines:

Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it. Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead. If you flag, please don't also comment that you did.

Just flag spam/low-effort posts and move on with your day.


👤 lovelyviking
Well I’ve noticed work of russian propaganda professionals here. This is very worrying and must be stopped.

For those who think it’s not a big deal I wish to warn you that those come in numbers with the time an exhaust real people with all kind of malicious tactics including switching topics, twisting facts , personal attacks and even threats.

They never tired and take by numbers promoting designed narrative making any meaningful discussion impossible. There farms of those and I see dangerous development here because they are not stopped even though they break all the rules here.

example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36238790


👤 dtagames
To paraphrase Mark Twain, "News of HN's death has been greatly exaggerated."

👤 bediger4000
Interesting to see you write that. I feel like it's gotten better over the last 2 years, with the exception of discourse about COVID and vaccine. I feel like a (possibly informal) anti-vax voting ring existed for a while, but it seems to have dissipated.

👤 taubek
What is this K8 blog that you are mentioning?

👤 Zetobal
It's that time of the year again.