HACKER Q&A
📣 ano-ther

What’s the deal with random people sending me money over PayPal?


From time to time I get emails from PayPal stating that someone sent me a small amount of money (always an odd number, between 5 and 21 Euro), and that I should register to claim this amount.

It is obviously a scam, because

- I don’t know the senders

- It’s to an email address I no longer use and that gets spammed frequently

- It’s from a PayPal affiliate in the country of the email domain (I no longer live there)

What is the game here? Is it to confirm my email address is real? Will they claim the money back? Or would I become a money laundering mule when they ask me to send the money back to a different account? I just can’t come up with anything that sounds remotely profitable to me.


  👤 Animats Accepted Answer ✓
PayPal supposedly has a "refuse payment" button, but it works differently for "verified" and "unverified" accounts.

Now, if this was a bank to bank ACH transfer, the recipient could just refuse the credit. There's an error code for this situation: R10: “Customer Advises Originator is Not Known to Receiver and/or Originator is Not Authorized by Receiver to Debit Receiver’s Account”.[1] You can contact your bank and refuse an incoming ACH transaction, which will generate this.

This is different from sending money back. It says to the banking system that the transaction was rejected and did not complete. So you're not sending the unknown originator your money. You're refusing to take their money. This eliminates the possibility of a reversal from their end costing you money. It also marks the transaction as an error in the banks at both ends. This is useful, because many errors on an account are an alarm condition and will get the attention of some fraud department.

If you have to reverse a transaction, do it fast. There are time limits for the simple paths.

(A friend of mine runs a bank branch of a major bank. Much of her day is spent straightening out error situations like this.)

[1] "https://www.nacha.org/rules/differentiating-unauthorized-ret...


👤 Aulig
I've read that the scam is that they will ask you to send the money back. If you do, you'll be out of the money because the money they sent you will disappear after a while because Paypal pulls it back (probably because they sent it to you from a stolen credit card or something like that)

👤 Waterluvian
I had a similar fraud that PayPal is somewhat complicit in because how how their system works:

I get an official PayPal email. But it’s on behalf of a vendor who is asking for money. But they’ve carefully crafted the request to look like a receipt. As if I’ve already paid $300 for textbooks and this is my receipt. But just a few unwitting clicks and I’ll have accepted the transfer request.


👤 chasil
Tangential story...

I had a Northwest Airlines VISA card in the early 2000s.

One day, I noticed a USD $6,000 deposit. I sent a message to customer service that something was wrong.

The next day, I noticed a $5,800 withdrawal. At this point, I called customer service.

They removed the deposit right away, but I had to engage repeatedly to get the withdrawal off my statement. I think this involved some kind of written statement.

I've also had Discover call me, asking if I ordered a $1,200 television off Newegg, and they sent me a new card when I replied that I did not.

I have no idea what happened in either case.


👤 wyldfire
In the past this has happened to me because I have a "givenname.surname@gmail.com" email address and a relatively common name. The other people frequently misspell or forget their email address and end up with mine. I get occasional money sent via paypal but also all kinds of other email. I get a pretty clear indication of which companies don't bother with an email verification step.

At one time (may still be the case?) someone created a Facebook account with my email address and I was able to click on a link and be logged in as them.


👤 reaperman
Sometimes people send money to me accidentally over PayPal. I’ve had great difficulty getting PayPal to return the money, never succeeded. Always been afraid to send it back myself in case the original transfer ever gets clawed back. So I’ll just have an extra $200 sitting in my PayPal account that I can never touch.

👤 bravoetch
Common scam format. Convince recipient to accept money, claim over-payment or accidental payment and ask for refund. Sender then claims account is hacked / check stolen etc and claims a clawback via bank or paypal etc.

The UK wedding photography industry has a version of this where a potential client sends a check for the deposit, and it far exceeds the amount required for the booking. They say the mistake is because they were supposed to book flowers etc and ask you to transfer the difference back asap. A year later it turns out the check was stolen or fake and the deposited funds vanish from your account and the culprit is long gone. It's fun to have them send the check, then pretend the police are now involved since you tried to deposit it.


👤 XitN
I have never had the problem of random people sending me money,

👤 UncleEntity
The things you learn on the YouTubes…

It probably is a scam where they try to get you to let them log into your bank account and “accidentally” transfer too much money which you can conveniently return to them with gift cards. Or some variation on the theme.

There’s also some PayPal invoicing scam going around where they send random people bills through PayPal and use that to get the scam rolling.

If it were me I’d just ignore it unless they are sending real money to you, in that case I’d just consider it a stupid tax and keep the money after a while (in case of chargebacks).


👤 rocketbop
I assume they will claim a mistake transfer if you claim and ask you to send it back to another account.

It’s a small amount of probably fraudulent money, but small enough that you might just do it. And I guess the hope is enough people do to make it add up to some good recurring income.

Would love to hear if there’s more to it than that.


👤 rmdes
I've had requests payments instead, which I obviously deny everytime.

👤 haunter
I wish random people would send me some money

👤 Simulacra
I would just keep the money