HACKER Q&A
📣 reacharavindh

Why are there no 5G USB-C dongles for laptops?


I was deciding between a Macbook Air and framework laptop. I thought one way I can justify buying a Framework over MBA(and give up stellar battery life, proper sleep/instant wakeup function etc) is if it could be had with 5G connectivity that would allow me to use the laptop even while I''m on the train without drining my phone battery for a hotspot.

But, to my surprise, I could not find any 5G dongles that are cheap and available to buy easily... I found one on an Austrian website intended for IOT uses coming at a price almost as that of a laptop.https://www.fts-hennig.at/netztechnik/router/mobilfunkrouter/hocell-5g-dongle-m210.html

What am I missing? If my phone could have 5G and even my watch could have 5G for cheap, why not a laptop?


  👤 crote Accepted Answer ✓
GSM dongles simply aren't that popular anymore.

Wifi access is near-universal, so the average consumer will pretty much never be without internet access - and their phone is a pretty suitable backup hotspot.

The people who do need GSM-based internet - like surveyors or door-to-door people - are probably better served by tablets anyways, and definitely don't want to deal with a USB dongle. If they have to, they'll just get a laptop with a M.2 GSM card. Whatever remains probably doesn't need 5G speeds to begin with.

So yeah, it's a tiny market. Expect them to be expensive. There's a 5G USB dongle made by Apal available for €400, but that's about it.

Are you sure 4G won't be enough? You can get one of those for €50 or so.


👤 eptcyka
You don't need to use WiFi to share an internet connection - it should be possible to tether your phone via cable and you can definitely share the connection via Bluetooth too. If your operating system vendor doesn't support this, please send them a support email inquiring as to why.

👤 mritzmann
> without drining my phone battery for a hotspot

I faced a similar problem. I have now invested my money in an external battery instead to charge my phone if necessary. For me, this seemed like a simpler solution (also, I don't have to worry about a second SIM this way).

For iPhones, there are now batteries that do not even need cables.

https://www.anker.com/products/a1611

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MJWY3AM/A/magsafe-battery...


👤 xolve
AFAIK, the USB internet dongles went out of fashion. Now people usually use hotspot from phone or you can use USB tethering if you dont want to make your phone hotspot.

👤 stephen_g
It's also annoying how hard it is to find good 5G enterprise modems. We have remote test sites, as well as backup internet for offices that are currently on 4G that I want to upgrade to 5G but it's hard to find. All I want is a 5G modem with an Ethernet port that will go to our existing routers. A lot of what I've found so far either has a lot of surplus features (routing, WiFi, etc.) which I will probably have to just disable everything on (Peplink looks decent and is in this category as far as I've looked, but I'm having trouble finding their gear for sale in my country), or has become "cloud managed" nonsense. Cradlepoint, for example make really nice hardware but now you have no option to use their "cloud management" stuff which I absolutely don't want or need, so I will not buy any of their gear. Just give me a web UI, it's not too hard...

👤 imhoguy
You can order laptops with 5G WWAN card built-in or just insert one later, every business laptop brand like Lenovo (Thinkpad), Dell or HP allow them.

From my own experience the problem with USB dongle (used ZTE USB) is that they are inconvenient in the move - dedicated SIM card, sticking out of the port, easy to get lost. Drivers are stability and security nightmare too.

Next problem is that 5G/4G need to meet some local frequency usage restrictions thus the devices need to differ between countries/regions. The market is too small to invest in separate certification, sales and distribution. The same applies to smartphones but the market is bigger and the issue is handled well already.


👤 cpach
Good question. Not sure why it’s like this. Perhaps wifi is ubiquitous enough that most people don’t care…?

My preferred solution: I carry a small 4g router (TP-Link M7350) in my backpack. Extremely useful when working in places that lack wifi (e.g. some coffee shops etc). The battery lasts very long.


👤 KleinPoes
Use your phone as a hotspot, while plugged in to charge.

👤 fxtentacle
You can buy a cheap portable 5G to Wifi router. That way, you also don't need to pollute your OS with sketchy dongle drivers.

👤 dusted
I think most people with this particular need would prefer a portable hotspot, like the Netgear Nighthawk M5, but they are not cheap as you've found, any 5g android phone can be used in it's place, and so it probably a better alternative in many cases.

Since you're talking about USB, and battery drain, you can probably assume that the phone will use roughly the extra power that is required to do the 5G data transmission and relay to the USB host, and so, if you connect your phone to your computer via USB, and enable internet sharing via USB, you've achieved USB dongle behaviour ?


👤 1023bytes
With MacBooks it's very seamless to connect to your iPhone's hotspot, it just appears in the WiFi menu. It's definitely more convenient than a dongle, as long as you have your phone with you

👤 nottorp
> without drining my phone battery for a hotspot.

I wonder how much power 5G in a moving train needs. The point being that you'd just drain the laptop's battery faster *.

Do you even get 5G in that train or a 4G dongle would be as good?

Must it be usb-c or usb-a plus short adapter will do?

As everyone else said, the convenience of a hotspot plus not having to manage/pay for a separate cell phone subscription outweighs the battery drain for most, so no one gets dongles any more.

Edit: * maybe as fast as powering a cell phone from it...


👤 mschild
Acer has 2 options but they start 299.

Alternatively, you can look into mobile 5g modems/routers with battery. They're also in the same price range though plus you have to charge them.

You mentioned Austria so I assume you're in the EU?

Geizhals ist usually you're best bet for product and price discovery.

https://geizhals.eu/?cat=phonmdg&xf=4844_5G~5694_USB&sort=p&...


👤 hayst4ck
The 5g modem itself is expensive due to (I assume) licensing. Just look at the difference between a 5g iPad or not: $200 and the watch which is $100.

It's not just the part itself but its context. You are asking for engineering to spend time figuring out how to integrate that into a current (potentially hyper-optimized) design, supply chain management, lawers, etc.

Additionally, in terms of alternatives, phones almost universally tether, you can buy specific 5g devices that you can fit in your palm.

You can buy a phone battery for $30 and run your phone all day no matter how hot you are running your phone.

It's expensive and complex to implement and there are plenty of good enough easily attainable alternatives, I'm not sure why a company would implement a niche product like that.


👤 borissk
A lot of laptops have a built in 5G modem, or just a slot and antennas for a 5G card that user can install if needed.

https://www.delltechnologies.com/asset/en-us/products/laptop...

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/latitude-5440-l...



👤 philippgerard
I’ve been looking for the same to no avail. I’d buy one for my MacBook in an instant but the only things available in Germany are bulky hotspot devices with built-in batteries for 300-700€.

👤 jeroenhd
I think most people who need this just buy laptops with the module preinstalled. Every major laptop or tablet brand I know has LTE options available.

The framework community designs for a swappable dongle are nice but they're not exactly complete. The cheapest way I can think of is to grab one of those M.2 boards, put them into a small M.2 to USB C converter and print a case around that. Most affordable M.2 modules seem to be 4G only though.


👤 Ekaros
Portable 5G hotspots do exist, but they certainly are not cheap. I think some of them might be tethered.

There is still premium for these products so the prices are high.


👤 Neil44
There seem to be plenty on Amazon just not USB-C, which is a shame for the manufacturers who don't include USB-A sockets any more :(

WiFi dongles are worth considering even though the wifi is a potential bottleneck. In most travel situations you are more interested in stability than max speed and having a WiFi dongle allows you to position it away from the laptop, in a window or high up to pick up marginal 5G signals.


👤 roxgib
Previously a lot of carrier would lock down the ability to share a phone's internet connection. This was the main reason cellular hotspot devices existed. Nowadays people just use their phone are we're all better off. Would be great if Framework released a module for it though, it's slightly more convenient that connecting through your phone.

👤 fellerts
The community has been working on an expansion card to add LTE connectivity to the Framework: https://community.frame.work/t/lte-cat-4-cell-modem-card. Looks like they're still in the early prototyping phase though.

👤 kylehotchkiss
I have a sense that once Apple figures out their own 5G/Wifi modem silicon, they will offer 5g connectivity from MacBooks within a 2-3 years of deploying it across the iPhone range. I also anticipate they'd offer their own data plans similar to how they do with the 5G iPad

👤 radomir_cernoch
"My" Google pointed me to a 5G USB dongle:

https://rpishop.cz/iot-karty/5753-waveshare-5g-dongle.html

But look at that heat-sink! The thing looks very big and very power-hungry.


👤 scotty79
> without drining my phone battery for a hotspot

I recently started using my android phone as USB hotspot to connect my desktop PC to the internet. It's great. Cable connection is way better than over wifi dongle in my pc which was unstable. And the phone is charging at the same time.


👤 ActorNightly
>If it could be had with 5G connectivity that would allow me to use the laptop even while I''m on the train without drining my phone battery for a hotspot.

You can charge your phone off the laptop. Or get an external battery bank.


👤 Machado117
There’s one from ZTE. It’s a little pricey but can be ordered from Amazon. https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07VKNKKW4/

👤 turtlebits
Cell phones are good enough. Very few users want to shell out for dedicated device and a monthly 5G plan for it when phone hotspots cover almost all cases.

In your case, a cheap battery pack would be a much better alternative.



👤 blahgeek
You may buy a separated $100 android phone with 5G and use it as hotspot

👤 supriyo-biswas
This doesn’t solve OPs problem, but I wonder if you could build a dongle yourself with a RPI and hardware for interacting with the SIM card.

Amazon has a few USB-A dongles available; no USB-C though.


👤 fredgrott
Its an infrastructure thing...

Do you remember the last USA telephony network to go bankrupt with that idea? Hint it starts with a C, mid late 1990s. Came with laptops pre-installed in fact.


👤 azurenumber
Lenovo laptops have them, those network modem in them

👤 SPDurkee
Googling "usb 5g sim" returned quite a few options

👤 fyhfuhfg
you are missing a country with competitive import rules.

chinese sites have dozen of 5g dongles you can buy for under $100.

also, i think 4G has better battery usage anyway.


👤 Saris
Your phone can tether via USB

👤 sgt
Dongle? What is this, 2010?