HACKER Q&A
📣 oikawa_tooru

Is Satya Nadella the best tech CEO of last decade?


He turned around an almost dying windows to become this Kraken that has the majority dev environment in its chokehold. That's impressive Other candidates in my list are Frank Slootman of Snowflake and Tim Cook of Apple for how he has not dropped the ball from Steve Jobs. What are yours?


  👤 suby Accepted Answer ✓
You say that Windows is a Kraken, but it's been on a downward slide in my mind. I don't think Nadella gets enough flak for what is happening to Windows and Microsoft's attitude towards respecting users / privacy in general.

Some examples that I've seen posted to HN over the past few months

* Microsoft Edge leaks browser history to Bing - https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/25/23697532/microsoft-edge-b...

* More ads in Windows 11 start menu - https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/17/microsoft_windows_sta...

* Absolute junk shoved into the Windows UI - https://thomasbandt.com/the-day-windows-died? https://birchtree.me/blog/the-windows-11-trash-party/ https://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-keeps-feeding-tabl...

Windows is in a boiling frog situation. It's been slowly accumulating dark patterns and anti-features like mandatory online-only accounts, while at the same time losing quality of life features like the ability to move your taskbar or to not combine apps in the taskbar.

I should be using Windows today. I grew up on Windows, I learned to program on Windows, I had a very difficult and bumpy transition in getting off of Windows. But I had to leave their ecosystem because they have absolutely no respect for the user, and at this point I do not trust them. I want to reiterate that these are recent things, I'm not mad at them for what they did in the 90's here.

They aren't treating Windows as a serious tool for getting shit done, they're treating it as a data-mine and advertising opportunity.


👤 uberman
I don't know how much of the MS turnaround can be attributed to him, but if we take it at face value that the CEO is responsible for everything, then MS definitely has had a dramatic positive run following Nadella taking the reigns from Ballmer.

MS still lacks a industry leading 21st century consumer device and Nadella has not been able to change that but his bets on cloud computing, embracing of Linux and open source and the rise of VSCode are something to behold.

As an "older-school" dev, I am constantly amazed that I can open a linux prompt on windows or do VSCode work with a local gui on a remote computer or inside a docker container.


👤 qbasic_forever
Microsoft completely lost mobile. Like not just a few goofy phones like Kin, they just straight up have no relevance or marketshare or anything in what is clearly the future platform for all computing.

A lot of this damage was done under Balmer, but IMHO Nadella has a lot of blame too. Microsoft has gone from domination of computing platforms and making money on every single device sale to competing for scraps in someone else's app store (making that someone else money!) as they sell office apps and such ported to platforms they don't control anymore.

I think there isn't more outrage or unrest about this failure from Microsoft shareholders since Azure and other service growth has kept dollars flowing in and the share price up. But Microsoft is nowhere near their 90s peak of total control over consumer computing.


👤 linguae
There are many ways of defining "best." There's not only "best" in terms of the bottom line, but also "best" in terms of their stewardship of the product line and customer satisfaction. Personally I am very fond of Lisa Su's leadership of AMD. AMD's offerings have become very compelling under her tenure; I love my Ryzen 3900 machine. She would make a strong contender for best tech CEO of the 2010s, in my opinion. Another strong contender would be Jensen Huang of NVIDIA.

👤 duped
Tim Cook quintupled the value of Apple and passed on a lot of the fads that other tech companies fell victim to.

👤 gentleman11
Didn’t he oversee turning windows into spyware?

In my mind, he’s the worst ceo of the last decade


👤 endisneigh
whether you are using profit or market cap it's clear Apple, and therefore Tim Cook, is the winner. add to the fact that Apple clearly has been the most responsible in terms of keeping costs under control and therefore not having layoffs or other cost cutting measures now, says it all.

👤 CivBase
What exactly is the metric for "best" here?

I consider MS's record under Nadella to be a mixed bag. Azure is probably Nadella's biggest success, but it's hard to come up with any other significant market in which MS has excelled under Nadella where they were not previously dominant.

From a user perspective, many MS products I use have improved and many have changed in ways I would consider to be detrimental. VS Code is probably the only new MS product that I've started using regularly - and I'd only consider it to be a minor improvement over Sublime Text for my use cases.


👤 Teslazar
Nvidia's CEO Jensen Huang has an impressive track record. They are positioned incredibly well right now with the AI boom and demand for their AI technology which they've been developing for many years.

👤 AzzieElbab
Still waiting for an MS product that I would use voluntarily. Excel is good, VS-Code is OK. Not using either one atm

👤 bruce511
Oh dear. You asked an honest open-ended question, but failed to define any criteria for being "best".

So let me summarise - clearly not, because they don't make a consumer/device (aka phone). Only phone companies can have a best CEO. Then again Apple doesn't have a successful cloud platform, Google doesn't make cars, Amazon's rockets aren't very useful, SpaceX doesn't make a phone, Tesla -is- a phone (the best "mobile" phone ever?). What about social media, ad-platform, AI?

Clearly deciding it based on product is absurd.

Equally we could debate the merits of owning an OS, or an Office platform, or a streaming service.

We could base it on innovation, stock price and growth, market cap, employee numbers, cash in the bank, acquisitions, willingness to kill projects, ability to smoke weed. We could define it as having laid off no-one ever.

All of which is to say, there's no "best" to begin with. There are thousands of companies,of every scale, which have done well by some metric, which have survived rocky roads, which have provided value to society, to customers, to employees.

My hat is off to all if them. Their success keeps food on the table, and roofs over heads.

Asking which is best, without define criteria is hopeless because clearly all companies have strengths and weaknesses. We might as well puck which sport is "best". (Where the right answer is golf because, um, that's what I like. And because more 80+ year-olds do golf than everything else combined. They're experienced enough to know.)


👤 drcongo
Hi Satya, thanks for posing this interesting question.

👤 blindriver
I think his flexibility to not make Windows first gave his engineers new life. Not being forced into a set of predictable actions based on ideology and being flexibly minded to let his engineer follow the best path is why Microsoft has risen from its decades of stagnation. He didn't lead with fear the same way Sundar is leading Google.

👤 easytiger
What did you think was going to happen to Microsoft's embedded and deeply moated monopoly? It was just going to go away? It was bedded in. Anyone who has used office in the enterprise environment over the last 15 years can tell you it wasn't a strategy or software quality that got them here.

👤 tdsanchez
Microsoft SHOULD be a leader in mobile and instead they just pivot from one tech hype to the next.

Windows 11 is a laughing stock to many and it isn't exactly flying off the shelves.

Microsoft is a hot mess and Nadella is a trader the same way Pichai is at Google.

Same for Tim Cook.

Look back at news articles for the past year and watch how fast Nadella pivoted from "the metaverse" to GPT.

Stock buybacks make CEOs look impressive if you don't know about stock buybacks.

https://money.usnews.com/investing/articles/s-p-500-stocks-w...


👤 osigurdson
I'd say he is the best non-founder CEO perhaps ever.

👤 pell
> He turned around an almost dying windows to become this Kraken that has the majority dev environment in its chokehold.

Microsoft was still growing under Ballmer. Windows was far away from “dying”.


👤 AndrewKemendo
You need to define the measurable criteria during the evaluation time period

Then you can sample across CEOs and then measure Nadella based on that

Do you have such criteria and data?


👤 raincom
Tech Bullmarket masks failures of all tech CEOs.

👤 brodouevencode
Nice try, Satya

👤 throw47463
Lisa Su of AMD.

She made it relevant again.


👤 ipaddr
Wouldn't that be pre-twitter Musk?

👤 blueflow
> the majority dev environment in its chokehold

Is that so?


👤 irrational
Betteridge's law of headlines says, “no”.

👤 bobleeswagger
I don't care what Microsoft turned around, what they did to stagnate and gatekeep technology in the 90's is unforgivable, and always will be.

👤 1letterunixname
Balmer was the worst, so anyone is better.