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Any advice for someone looking to buy an existing business?


Hi HN!

I may have found an online website that I would like to buy. It is a social media management company. The website is making around $8k a month and they are asking for $250k for it. Seems like a great deal, but when things are too good to be true, I am convinced it is likely a scam.

I am pretty nervous about forking over a large chunk of my hard earned money, regardless of the deal I find. Any advice for this process so I can avoid being scammed, or loose money? Tips and tricks to validate the legitimacy of the business? Maybe a recommended checklist based on past experience?

A little about my background, I have been a software engineer for the past 10+ years, but I don't love to program anymore. I prefer to think about the business, customers, sales, marketing, etc. and would prefer to pay an employees to do the programming and manage infrastructure with only the occasional need to roll up the sleeves.

If any of you have an existing business that you are looking to sell to an individual, I'd love to have a chat. Ideally it would be something like:

  - Actively Managed Business, net income $16k monthly
  - Passively Managed Business, net income $2k monthly 
  - Ran virtually online or located in the DMV if office based


  👤 pdevr Accepted Answer ✓
If it is a large chunk [as you said] of your hard earned money, do not shell it out unless you are really sure. In the worst case, you will still have your money with you. In the other case, you lose your hard-earned money forever, plus time and emotional energy. When in doubt, walk away.

Along with the other questions shared by HNers:

What kind of social media management are they doing? Is it in a fast shrinking area? What has been the CATEGORIZED revenue flow FOR EACH SERVICE CATEGORY for the last three months? How about for six months?

What are the revenues generated from each of the top ten clients? Is it skewed? Or, are there only three or four clients?

Is the revenue based on a (monthly) subscription model? Or do you have to keep selling every month?

What will make the clients to stick with you, post-acquisition? Will the seller do something similar after the sale? Does the seller have any involvement with any similar businesses? Any of his friends or family in the same business?

Why are they really selling? They may or may not tell you that, you will need to infer that.


👤 throwaway280382
I bought a similar website on transferslot sometime ago for $15000. Later I realized I dont have time between day job, kids and general family life to pursue this business further. I let it die :(

Luckily, for $15000 I figured out I am bad at business.

Lesson for you: Unless you have done some amount of business/customers/sales/marketing before, dont spend such a big amount of money on your first venture.


👤 codegeek
is 8k revenue or profit ? If profit, 250K is not a stretch considering it is just over 2.5x the profits. Some may argue that 2.5 of revenue is also not a bad thing but usually for revenue under 500K, I don't consider multiples of revenue as it is too small and need to focus on profit.

It is par for the course if everything else checks out. If anything, it is at the higher end of multiples for a business of this size.

THe question you should be asking is if this is a business you can take over and run and more importantly, grow further. How solid are the existing customers ? What is the churn rate ? What is the current growth rate ? What do you know about Social Media Management ?

Also, forget about "Passively Managed business". There is no such thing especially in early days. Even if you are buying an existing business, you have to run it actively no matter how passively managed it was because for you, it is a new thing and like a job the first 2-3 years. Don't fall in that trap thinking it will run itself. It won't.

Source: Bootstrapped business owner for 8+ years and counting. If it matters in this context, I did buy it as a side project but built into a proper company.


👤 GianIsAlive
I imagine the process is like any acquisition. From what I've seen so far, basic things people look for: 1. Business Registration (LLC, B corp, C corp, etc) 2. PnL for past 5 years 3. Tax statements 4. Banking statements 5. Inspect codebase, database, and cloud infra.

Also I'm surprised that you'd ask it here. Considering you're about to drop $250k, I imagine you'd hire a lawyer to look over everything.


👤 gus_massa
Not what you are looking for, but it may have some hints. This is an old post by patio11 "What I Learned Selling A Software Business" https://training.kalzumeus.com/newsletters/archive/selling_s... HN discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11347006 (439 points | March 23, 2016 | 84 comments)

Are the $8K total revenue or the net income?


👤 codingdave
Worry less about the MRR and more about what direction it is heading. $8K/m as a snapshot in time is great, but what was its growth over the last couple years? And why? And are the underlying factors that made it grow still relevant?

I've found that many web sites for sale are from people who found a niche, built a product, milked it until the writing was on the wall for its downturn, then are trying to sell it at its peak, leaving the next owner to figure out how to recover.

Make sure that isn't what you are buying.


👤 happyjack
My advice. I don't work in your industry but I find the following to be universally true:

1) hire a broker 2) do your damn-dist to have them sell you a good chunk of the business on a promissory note. it will force them to have skin in the game and force them to care about your success moving forward 3) ignore cash flow trends that aren't established for at least 3 years 4) don't ever pay more than 1.5-2 times the cash flow. ever

edited to add point #4


👤 ljsocal
You don’t share terms of the deal. For a win-win for you and the seller, it’s great if you can transition into the business while transitioning them out of it. Creating a financial incentive for them if the transition is successful is key. If they balk at this concept, walk away.

👤 pinguin3
Id buy a more simple business. Online websites are like casinos. Who still uses myspace or altavista? Laundromat, cleaning business or something like that, that almost never goes wrong. Then with the stable income do the risky investments