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📣 golly_ned

Comparison between two startup offers


Hi HN,

I'm in the middle of choosing between my current company, and another company. I'd like to give a description of both companies, and poll you all for thoughts and opinions. Cash is identical, and my stock options at my current company are currently underwater due to a ~35%ish drop in valuation compared to before the tech market went south.

My current company is a series C ML/AI company with about 100 people. There are many people with deep expertise in ML systems and distributed systems -- the engineers are very strong, and the founders are reknowned and well-regarded, and also experts in ML systems. But the business is struggling; there was recently a round of layoffs of 15% of the company. There's a very strong pivot into direct competition with the other company, and the current product will likely be deprecated; I'm assuming I'll be safe in terms of layoffs, since my experience aligns very closely with the new product direction and is hard to hire for. About half of the engineers are devoted to a research project closely associated with the founders, but which hasn't been able to yield business results yet. The company doesn't have a presence in open-source.

The other company, the one I received an offer from, recently raised a strong series A, and has lots of market traction. Its bench isn't nearly as deep in terms of hard-to-hire ML/AI expertise or very strong distributed systems engineers, and the founders are not nearly as widely known or connected. The people seem both very nice, fun, and (importantly) interesting. The company has a reasonably popular open source tool, and is not involved in ML/AI research.

I'm finding it difficult to weigh these options, and I'm looking for thoughts, opinions, and intuition on things I may not be considering. I know a large part of this depends on various personal preferences and values, which I will ultimately depend on to decide, but I want to hear from others on how these two options strike them.

Thank you.


  👤 vivegi Accepted Answer ✓
If you want to use a quantitative method to weigh these two choices, use something like a Net-Present-Value ([1]) comparison of both these choices.

That would mean listing down all assumptions that impact the total value

  - cash

  - number of options, strike price, current fair market value

  - future vests

  - a calculated PE ratio for your stock and EPS (use some proxy if you don't have earnings directly)

  - future earnings growth projections

  - interest rate (for discounting future cashflows)

Do this for both choices and project the cash flow (for you) from both options. Then choose the one with the higher NPV.

Unfortunately, there is some crystal ball gazing you have to do to get earnings, earnings growth, interest rate etc., But, if you use the same basis for computing both the options, you have a decent approach.

Don't disregard your gut feel. But do that after you have done the quantitative approach. That will inform and influence your gut reaction.

Good luck.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_present_value


👤 roflyear
Do you like the people you work with? If so, I wouldn't change jobs for equal pay. That's a big risk you're taking: in my experience, it's more common to join a shit team than an OK team.