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📣 behnamoh

GPT4 is out and Apple's Siri still sucks. What is Apple's strategy?


Apple is known for waiting for technologies to mature so that they can offer them better than the competition. We saw that with large screen iPhones, touch ID, and several iOS features. But Siri and autocorrect in 2023 are as good (read $hitty) as they were a few years ago.

I have been using GPT-3 in a shortcut on my Apple Watch and can't but wonder what Apple is doing to catch up. I now ask my questions from my own GPT personal assistant instead of Siri and it works much much better.

I feel like if Apple doesn't say anything about LLMs in WWDC, it will be officially its biggest loss after the death of Steve Jobs.


  👤 drewbeck Accepted Answer ✓
> I feel like if Apple doesn't say anything about LLMs in WWDC, it will be officially its biggest loss after the death of Steve Jobs.

This is a bit silly. What will they have lost, exactly?

I think they’re likely scrambling right now like every company with a speech-to-text or AI-type product. And they’ll be angling to do it in an Apple way — released when they feel confident they have a great product.

I wouldn’t put it past them to discuss it before they launch, however — they’ve been looser-lipped in the last years (ie abt their headset), I would guess to keep mindshare, basically.


👤 factorialboy
Apple has been lagging behind Google for a while, and now Microsoft.

That being said, Apple is rarely the first adopter of new tech. So, this seems to be in line with their default strategy.

Apple did fine after the death of Steve Jobs, so I don't think that analogy is valid either.

Right now, Apple being a consumer/fashion/tech company, LLMs are not an existential threat to their business.


👤 dsalzman
I hope they buy and back some of these companies building local/on-prem capable models to run locally on iOS. Add in some proprietary ML chip tech to run it efficiently on mobile and they will capture a big market. Having intimate personal assistant requests uploaded to MSFT/OpenAI is a deal breaker for me.

👤 senttoschool
Could you imagine the bad PR if Siri spits out wrong answers, politically charged answers, fake answers, or creepy answers?

For example, imagine the huge PR nightmare if Siri explains to you how to make a bomb at home or how to hijack a plane.

Also, GPT4 does not hook into iOS, macOS, iPadOS APIs.

I think a company like Apple will be very careful. Their brand, which they're extremely careful with, would be on the line and they can't risk it on a chat bot that is sometimes very creepy, sometimes makes up answers.

That said, I'm sure Apple is scrambling internally to create an equivalent.


👤 bwb
Wait till they understand the market, then dominate. Just like normal.

👤 quietthrow
OP (or others) can you please share how you are using chatgpt instead of Siri on iPhone and Apple Watch?

👤 keyle
My money would be that they're internally really advanced on the tech, but unlike other companies, they don't embrace it in public because for Apple, first impressions matter.

So if Siri gets a lift, wether it will be progressive or as a new persona, it's likely to come out reasonably strong, after everyone.

Alexa is also to follow.

Home integration of things still sucks, so really the big move forward for Siri/Alexa will be AGI - the future is proactively taking care of things, rather than assist you with your next resume.


👤 solumunus
I question how big the market really is for voice activated personal assistants. Very few people seem to actually want to use them beyond novelty/gimmick. Personally, I would always just prefer to pull out my phone and do whatever I need to do there, it's already insanely convenient and in most cases seems to be superior UX.

👤 michelb
I guess they’re working on something: https://9to5mac.com/2023/03/16/apple-testing-siri-natural-la...

👤 atleastoptimal
Apple will just integrate Bing GPT chat into Siri in exchange for keeping Bing default on apple products instead of Google. All of their leverage comes from owning the hardware

👤 polski-g
Couldn't they just buy the entire company?