HACKER Q&A
📣 amichail

Why is gain of function research allowed given possibility of lab leak?


Given that a lab leak may have led to the pandemic, shouldn't gain of function research be banned for now?


  👤 cameldrv Accepted Answer ✓
Amazingly just yesterday the guys on This Week in Virology spent an hour complaining about potential new safety regulations for research on potential pandemic viruses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNoFmZxEogQ


👤 oslac
It is amusing how history is being now rewritten as "We All Always Agreed Lab Leak Was the Real Source".

👤 bigmattystyles
Better question would be 'can you ban it'? I'm genuinely asking but afaik, it's not like nuclear sites that can be detected and then asked to be inspected. Nation states will likely do it anyways if there's no easy detection manner. So, sure 'ban' it, but do develop very strong protocols around it. Bring it out in the open as much as is possible.

👤 LawTalkingGuy
What we need to do is make sure that the process is more transparent. If every approved lab had to log its research with a global watchdog we'd have a better idea where to start when things inevitable go wrong.

From discussion before the Wuhan lab was built: "worries surround the Chinese lab, too. The SARS virus has escaped from high-level containment facilities in Beijing multiple times, notes Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey. Tim Trevan, founder of CHROME Biosafety and Biosecurity Consulting in Damascus, Maryland, says that an open culture is important to keeping BSL-4 labs safe, and he questions how easy this will be in China, where society emphasizes hierarchy. “Diversity of viewpoint, flat structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important,” he says." - https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2017.21487


👤 bglazer
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK285583/

The link above is a fairly readable summary of a conference in which academics debated the need for gain of function research. As you can see, this was not a settled topic, and even some of the supporters of GoF research admit doubts about its utility.

To summarize the paper I posted:

1. Gain of function research, broadly construed, also includes adapting viruses to live "in culture", i.e. in a dish of cells. That's a fundamentally useful and necessary part of research, so a blanket ban could unnecessarily complicate basic research.

2. GoF is useful for evaluating the potential impacts of mutations observed in the wild. Like, we see a particular mutation circulating, but its significance is unknown, so we introduce it into a model virus in a lab to test what impact it has. This helps us decide which strains we should choose to develop vaccinations for. This can also be done prospectively, GoF can identify particularly nasty variants, which we can then prioritize for more intense intervention if they're observed in the wild.

3. There's a basic research interest in understanding the molecular details of how viruses infect humans. GoF allows researchers to probe this much more easily than the random sampling we get from wild viruses. This research has led (in part) to basic insights in virology, like the role of the furin polybasic cleavage site in coronaviruseses in increasing virulence.


👤 DrThunder
The theory is that they'll better be able to fight future variations of X-disease because they've been able to study it.

Personally, I think that's a bunch of bs. The stuff they're doing to these diseases isn't likely to occur naturally. I suppose you could make the argument they're preparing to stop some possible bio-weapon that might be created.

I also think a lot of it has to do with money. In Pfizer's case they're wanting to get the jump on vaccine sales down the road. If they're putting that much money into creating a vaccine for a variant created through gof... well that opens a lot of doors for nefarious activity and the possibility of someone intentionally releasing it goes up.


👤 andrewfromx
I asked GPT and it said: "gain of function research has led to important scientific discoveries and medical advancements, such as the development of antiviral drugs and vaccines. Banning all gain of function research could have negative consequences for public health and scientific progress. While there is a possibility of a lab leak, it's important to note that not all gain of function research is created equal. There are different levels of risk involved, and not all research carries the same level of risk for accidental release or deliberate misuse. There are strict guidelines and regulations in place to ensure that the research is conducted safely and responsibly. These regulations include stringent biosafety protocols and oversight by independent committees to evaluate the risks and benefits of proposed research."