HACKER Q&A
📣 amichail

Why aren't laptops evaluated with a plot of performance vs. fan noise?


Nobody wants to use a laptop that has high performance but also fan noise for extended periods of time.


  👤 delta_p_delta_x Accepted Answer ✓
NotebookCheck[1] does extensive fan noise, chassis heat, and hot air distribution tests.

It also performs display colorimetry and calibration, display PWM tests, Wi-Fi and SD card slot (if present) speed tests, basic teardowns, extended performance tests (accounting for PL1/PL2 limits), combined CPU + GPU performance tests on a veritable battery of benchmarks from games and renderers to industrial benchmark suites on a variety of resolutions and settings.

[1]: https://www.notebookcheck.net/


👤 PBondurant
IMO title is clickbaity; it's a statement-of-opinion-masquerading-as-a-question.

Effectively the parent is saying 'fan noise is up there with performance as my most important metric in a laptop'.

This may be true for the OP, but it's by no means a universal consideration. Personally, battery life comes before fan noise for me as a metric. YMMV.


👤 nydev
I like the reviews at https://www.notebookcheck.net/ because they do measure fan noise.

👤 williamstein
"The main thing I worry about in my computer is - it doesn't have to be big and powerful, although I like that - it really has to be completely silent." - Linus Torvalds. https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/cnz6a3/it_rea...

👤 rozab
Because most people gaming on laptops are using beefy headphones.

Quiet operation is a luxury anyway. You don't buy a laptop to be quiet, you buy a laptop to perform the workloads you need (for which you need performance). People who are budget constrained usually want the best possible performance for the price.


👤 steve1977
Apple MacBooks: what fan noise?

👤 DiabloD3
Gamers Nexus has done such testing for GPUs, dB adjusted performance numbers. No reason you can't for laptops.

👤 100721
I do not care about fan noise because I am always listening to music. I'd rather have much higher performance for louder fans.

👤 warrenm
"Nobody"?

How much "fan noise"? Compared to what? An anechoic sensory deprivation chamber? A jack hammer outside the office building? Your refrigerator? Car tires at highway speed?


👤 dathinab
There is not specific reason I think.

But consider that a lot of people live in environments so loud that for a lot of laptops the max fan noise is at best a mild nuisance, at least with modern laptops.

Also a lot of laptop gaming is done with headphones.

Then there is the problem that measuring fan noise is harder to do then measuring performance, for the first you just have to run benchmarks in a "normal" temperate room, for the later you need a consistent not too loud noise environment.


👤 mindslight
Computer review methodology is terribly anti-scientific in general. For example, look at all the pomp and circumstance around reviews of desktop PC coolers - we used this motherboard and this RAM with this case in a room this temperature blah blah. Whereas the physical reality is that thermal resistance (degrees temperature rise per watt dissipated) sidesteps all of that. The right way to characterize a cooler would be to use a constant heat source to measure the thermal resistance (via temperature) and noise while varying the fan RPM, and create a simple graph that could be straightforwardly compared. But then they wouldn't be able to focus on a subjective narrative supporting whatever manufacturer paid them to write the article.

👤 CrypticShift
There are other variables

- Room temperature: It makes a difference whether it is summer or winter.

- Throttling ratio : A lot of laptops will lower the CPU speed rather than keep the fan running for a prolonged time, or am I wrong ?


👤 throwaway675309
I'd much rather see sustained performance under peak load with respect to power throttling. A laptop with a 4 GHz CPU is worthless if you can only run at that clock speed for bursts of a few seconds at a time.

👤 2Gkashmiri
hey. anyone wanna help me?

i bought a used laptop "lenovo ideapad" ryzen 3 something.

Am running kde neon. The only problem, the FANS ARE 100% ALL THE TIME.

it gets tiring pretty fast because the jet blower of the fan is supposed to come up during heavy load but not all the time.

i tried pwmconfig but it couldn't find fans. Same for other utilities. They just don't recognize the fans.

Could it be a hardware issue or a software one beacause the fans are working fine, they just don't modulate.


👤 throwayyy479087
Because Macbook Airs have that market cornered

👤 gowld
silentpcreview.com abandoned their mission :-(