HACKER Q&A
📣 azhenley

What’s your plan for getting laid off?


With the recent tech layoffs and chatter about bigger ones coming, I realized I should have a plan just in case.

What will you do? Beyond a 6-12 month emergency fund, what other financial preparation? Will you spend 40 hours a week on job search and leetcoding?


  👤 gt565k Accepted Answer ✓
Take 1-3 months off to decompress and focus on personal development and at the same time reach out to my network towards the end of the 1-3 month off period to inquire about new jobs. Life is short, don’t spend every minute working. A layoff is a good opportunity to hit the reset button on life assuming you have no immediate financial need to be employed as soon as you are laid off.

👤 p1esk
The main thing is state of mind: being mentally and emotionally prepared that today is the day you get the boot, without any severance, and that finding a new job will take 6+ months.

If you think like that you will make it a priority to have money in your savings account, keep your leetcode skills sharp, and keep an eye on the job postings, occasionally applying to interesting ones (perhaps once a week), and accepting interview requests from recruiters (perhaps once a month).


👤 kypro
As someone fairly mentally unstable who's recently been laid off I'm basically just trying to prep my family and friends for what's to come.

The thing I find hard is when I know that my life is objectively having a negative impact on those I love and society generally. That tends to be when I spiral because at that point I know I'm better off not being here. I'm not there yet, but given the economic backdrop and my personal situation I think it's 50/50 whether I get there.

Not writing this because I'm looking for help or sympathy. I don't feel depressed. I'm a happy person and I smile a lot. For me it's a bit like sleep in that it's not something I choose or seek, but I get tired of being awake sometimes. Something like that anyway.

But I guess what I want to say is that if someone you know is being laid off and you want to help, then actually help or don't say anything at all. Don't tell them some BS about how it will be alright and how they'll get through it because when it's clearly not alright and when they're not pulling through (which I promise you is how they're seeing it) then it those words will only make them feel like more of a failure. Instead actually make sure they're alright. Give them somewhere to stay. Give them a hot meal. Don't tell them they're wanted, make them feel it, you know?


👤 jermaustin1
I don't have a lot of advice other than find something that you enjoy to fill your time. With 6-12 months of emergency fund, and cutting your bills even further, you could enjoy your time off.

Thankfully my wife is a Marriage and Family Therapist, and earns close to what we NEED, so all of our big bills (rent and mortgage, insurances, car notes, etc) are taken care of. So that means if I get laid off, there isn't a lot of pressure on needing to find another job. But as others have said, there are plenty of unsexy jobs available.

I have also always had the idea that this is the last gig I am going to do, so if it ends, I might end up going full time into my furniture building hobby. Take it from a few grand a year to a few grand a month by working full time at it instead of tired nights and weekends.


👤 thiago_fm
Hey OP, are you worried? You've made it until now, if a layoff happens, you'll do just fine. I'm saying this because I have those silly thoughts all the time, mainly because of my poor upbringing, hunger, seeing my family members get shot and die and living in a third world country... but I can stop those thoughts and relax.

Now for your question:

Now I live in Germany, so 6-12 month fund isn't even necessary as in case of a layoff, as I've worked for long enough, I'll get 1 year reduced paycheck that will keep my bills paid.

But I've saved the emergency fund nevertheless.

Honestly, it's the only thing I have control. And of course, if I get laid off, I'll do what is needed to do.

If companies want me to leetcode, I'll leetcode. If companies want me to prepare better for whiteboard interviews, I'll also do it.

Here in Germany it isn't very common, they mostly give you a take home exercise, but in case of a layoff, you should be prepared to take action on what is needed for you to get back to a job.

I wouldn't be overly concerned, people think of those scenarios as very dire, with mass unemployment.

In case such thing happens and it is as dire as you think, social chaos will be huge and governments will need to find a solution for this problem. Even if that means sending all IT workers to start digging holes, to fill it out with dirty over again. Just be ready to work on whatever comes and on adapting yourself to any new situation.

I hope we never have to dig holes together, but in case we do, let's make it fun :)

If you are a skilled IT professional, that is healthy and can talk, write and deal with situations in an analytical way, you'll find a solution. I find it sad that people that are very dedicated to their jobs have this sort of thoughts, whether they will make ends meet in case something out of ordinary happens. It is very likely that you will.

This might mean taking some paycut and needing to refinance or rethink your finances, but it won't be the end for you. Just chill and relax. Life also has up and downs and you likely have it better than most.

Also learn to see your possibilities without your job. This comment makes me think you are too attached to your current situation. Maybe if you were digging up holes or working as a cashier on a wall mart, you'd still be happy and figuring things out.

And to wrap up, enjoy your life, you only live once, to waste your time being worried about it.


👤 bluefirebrand
After a layoff, the first thing I do is apply for EI (Canada).

Even if you get a layoff package, EI here takes that into account. For example if you get a 3 month severance, then your EI will be approved and start in 3 months, basically pretending like you were still working those 3 months.

Then I update my resume, update my LinkedIn, start setting up some job alerts, set myself to "looking for work" so recruiters will see me.

I have a couple of recruiters that I reach out to as well.

I have unfortunately been on this treadmill more than once. It's tough. The biggest thing to make sure is you start looking and keep looking for work. Once you start spending a week or two binging shows or playing videogames without a single resume going out, you're going to be in a bad place.

Edit:

To your specific question, no. 40 hours a week doing interviews, jobhunting and leetcode is absolutely not necessary.

When I am off work and looking I would say I spend about an hour or two each morning looking for jobs, replying to recruiters, etc. I do try to keep a normal schedule so I don't treat it like a vacation. No sleeping in excessively, no staying up excessively late.

Other than that, I mostly do spend my days on what I want to. Take walks, play games, work on side projects, whatever. It's a good time to rest and destress, just don't let yourself stop pushing for a new job.

One other important thing is when I am seriously job hunting, I reply to every recruiter who messages or emails me. Regardless of if I am interested in the job or not, it's good to connect and they might find something else. Being polite goes a long way because they are very used to being ignored or having people be downright rude to them.


👤 nodra
Financial: Beyond my 16 month emergency fund, probably get unemployment which might be enough for our monthly expenses.

Tech prep: I’ll probably find an interesting open source project and work on that while doing some leetcoding and system design on the side.

Job search: I noticed there is a number of openings at banks, insurance companies, and other not so sexy places here in Seattle.


👤 spicymaki
Personally, I don't think it would be healthy for me to take a long (multi-month) rest and recuperation break. I think I would spiral into a miserable state of sloth and torpor. I live pretty frugally, so I would have quite a bit of time to re-establish myself if need be.

I would do the following (in order):

1) I would immediately start reaching out to friends/former coworkers to see if there were any opportunities out there. (3mo. - 6mo.)

2) I would reach out to consulting firms to see if there were any work available. (3mo.)

3) Would freelance for a while to see if I could drum up some longer term consulting work. (6mo.)

4) Look for a job outside of the tech industry that could leverage my technical work or problem solving ability. (6mo.)

5) Move to a lower cost geo, change careers, retrain or go back to school for a career in another sector. (∞ mo.)

In parallel with above.

* I would continue to contribute to open source to keep my skillset up to date.

* Provide some training on the skills I do have, give talks at software conventions (network).

* Volunteer and giveback.


👤 Eumenes
Embrace my extremely low cost of living lifestyle (prob 3-5% of my annual income, coupled with 5 year emergency fund), exercise alot, cook healthy meals alot, and generally focus on self improvement. Wouldn't mind doing a part-time job or something unrelated to tech, even if it makes little.

👤 SaberTail
I've got 12 months of living expenses saved up, so financially I'm about as prepared as I can be. I'd apply for unemployment. I have a 2 bedroom place where I currently use one bedroom as an office, so I'd try to get a roommate to bring down my housing expenses.

Time-wise, I'd probably take a month off to recover and decompress. If the timing were right, I might even take longer and hike a section of the Appalachian Trail or Pacific Crest Trail. After that, I'd take another month to brush up on my leetcode before jumping into interviews.


👤 wilwade
A few things I haven't seen mentioned.

Make sure you have connections with your coworkers you wish to remain connected with (for friendship and/or opportunities).

Make sure you have no personal data saved only on your work computer.

Advocate for open sourcing any small utilities or other code that you have written so that you can have good public code samples.

Make sure that you have non-work access to retirement accounts, paycheck stubs, etc...

Finally, be willing to leave first. (For many) it can be hard to not have your work as part of your identity. Remember that businesses cannot care about you, just people in them.


👤 Beaver117
Relax and enjoy! Why do you have to get another job? Unless you're on a visa you now have time to live your life free from the shackles of a job.

Save just enough money so you don't end up homeless and hungry


👤 mancerayder
The biggest annoyance in the US is paying for COBRA, which costs over 1K for even a single person. The state health marketplaces offering cheaper health insurance are awful (eg. limited network).

👤 joshstrange
Thanks to YNAB (budgeting software) I feel very confident in my abilities to weather a layoff (6+ month emergency fund without changing any habits). Obviously it's not something I'd want to deal with but my plan would be to take a couple days to a week to just process the layoff and then start hunting. I'd also cut a bunch of "fluff" out of my budget (stuff I enjoy but I'm ready to jettison if funds get tight/if I got laid off).

I have some small freelance projects that I would spend my 9-5 on (they don't come close to paying my bills but I'd want to stay "productive") and I'd apply to a bunch of places. I'd probably lean heavily on HN's "Who wants to be hired"/"Who's hiring" monthly threads as that's how I got my current job and I've been quite happy with it.

I'd spend a max of ~3mo looking for my idea of a good job then relax my expectations and then around 6mo really start scraping the bottom of the barrel (aka apply to larger companies). After about 3-4mo I'd probably take a part-time job (in tech or otherwise) to slow the draining of funds from my accounts, that and/or take on more freelance work.


👤 throwawaybbq1
Lowered spending a bit assuming I am already laid off. X-mas, black-friday did not help my budget. One major thing is we are omitting a fancy vacation in our plans this year. Had to explain this to my non-tech spouse but she got it, as others in our friend-circle are in the same boat. We may go somewhere via car or something.

Taking online courses in my spare time now, so when I really need it, I have some momentum. Passing that first assignment was tricky .. getting easier now (been out of school for ages).

Amount of LinkedIn pings I get from recruiters has definitely gone down. Still getting pings but these are companies I don't wish to work for.

There is some good advice here .. leetcode and general interview practice is a good idea, reducing unnecessary expenses, and networking. I am not doing great on all 3 fronts.

I have a family with little kids. It is a bit tough to lower expenses. My biggest fear is if my decent tech salary goes away, it will be hard to adjust to a new normal. The hedonic treadmill only speeds up. Need to have significant discipline to go the other direction.

Good luck all!


👤 nickd2001
"Will you spend 40 hours a week on job search and leetcoding?" sounds like Stockholm syndrome. Being laid off can be an opportunity. ;). When else do you get paid to not go to work? ;). Surely everyone has things they'd like to do if they weren't always at work? Being laid off is a time to do that. When I was young it meant lots of time in the mountains. When older, it meant jobs like finally sorting the garage out that was full of baby-related cr*p, and playing with the kids more. 40 has a week on job search.... ouch. Take a few weeks off. Have fun. Then start firing off a few applications a day. Someone will bite for sure. (Caveat - this works for people in tech , earning a half decent wage, who are also frugal. Probably wouldn't work if you worked for minumum wage, that could be stressful and horrible)

👤 meterplech
May be hard with unpredictable timing of a layoff, but I’d recommend folks look into Recurse Center: https://www.recurse.com/

After closing down my last startup I did it. It was a great balance of community providing some baseline structure to my days while being mostly unstructured allowing me to explore interests for fun.

And at the end they help a lot with getting a job. If you can pull it off financially/with timing, I highly recommend the experience.


👤 dusted
If I get laid off I'll contact my network and update my linkedin. Our economy is arranged such that even though we are two people on full-time, we we can comfortably live off of a single income, and if we were both without jobs for an extended period of time, we could live okay on welfare for a few years if need be.

👤 oicu812
Here's a good start for financial preparation: https://www.ramseysolutions.com/budgeting/budgeting-after-jo...

👤 sosilkj
Start gathering contact info now for everyone you might want to stay in touch with. This is especially important if you work remotely, because if you get laid off, they might immediately kick you out of your email, slack, etc., and then it will be too late.

👤 SillyUsername
Have fun writing more of the personal software I want to do, look for a new job outside of that. Choose one that looks good, not a shitty "evergreen" as the recruiters know them (always hiring because they've got high staff turnover).

👤 danwee
In Germany, when you are laid off (and that's an unsual situation, unless you actually have done something very terrible), you are given a notice period of 3 months. So, I would have 3 months for look for a job.

👤 roundandround
I don't really get having a fixed ~12 months.. If you are talking about getting laid off you probably make a much higher than average salary and climbing from your past lifestyle shouldn't put you anywhere close to consuming all of your salary.

I would review spending to understand what the major costs are or investment mistakes were if you don't have as many years you could take off as you have worked. Much like a sports career there's no telling how long a tech career will last or remain interesting to you and gradual raises in spending should not mean you don't have enough to consider a very soft landing in a poorly paying field, entrepreneurship without backers, etc.


👤 Graffur
my plan is not to get laid off

👤 RonaldOlzheim
You act like a good employer, start a business

👤 chasd00
given the ridiculous severance packages in tech these days, i would plan to spend a lot of time at the beach.

👤 brudgers
Vacuum and cook dinner.

Good luck.

[edit] Oops, never mind. My iPhone word wrapped the headline between “laid” and “off.”


👤 quechimba
I'm moving to the Amazon rainforest..

👤 joezydeco
Early in my career I used to turn off all job search functions when I was working a job. Didn't take calls from recruiters, LinkedIn was set private, etc.

In the last decade I leave it all running and continuously stay in semi-passive job search mode. My LI is wide open. Recruiter wants to send me a job description? Sure, I'll read it. I've gotten a few decent raises that way without really trying.

TLDR: you should always be prepared for a layoff or rapid job change. Don't wait until you're being handed your papers.


👤 bravetraveler
Use my network, same as last time