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How to Invest $700k USD?


I recently came into ~$700k, and I'm trying to figure out what to do with it. My risk profile is medium (family, middle age), so this isn't play money, but I am confident in my employability. My initial instinct was to follow the default "Put it in the SP500 through a no fee fund" but curious if that advice is still valid or if there are other ideas HN might have.

Using a throwaway account, I've been on HN for a loooong time.


  👤 javanissen Accepted Answer ✓
Read the articles on Bogleheads.org and the r/personalfinance Reddit wiki on managing windfalls. Do not feel the need to invest this money until you understand your options and have a baseline understanding of your risk tolerance. In middle age I suspect putting it 100% in stocks might exceed your risk tolerance: a balanced portfolio of stock index funds, treasury bonds, I bonds, maybe paying down debts, and maybe liquid cash reserves in FDIC-insured high-yield savings accounts is probably more appropriate.

👤 wonderwonder
I've always been a fan of paying off the primary residence just for peace of mind. Can get a better ROI but if you're home is secure, everything else kind of just feels easier.

👤 astockwell
I recommend considering unusual "investments" like solar panelling your roof: if it costs you $25k outright, but saves you $150/mo 4eva, that's a 7% ROI, better than a lot of more risky investments. Then if you convert your HVAC to be electric-only, your vehicle(s) to electric-only, etc, the effect is additive.

👤 ChuckMcM
As with everything, it depends. What is your risk profile?

The first time I came into some unexpected wealth (from selling stock options) I put it aside to pay for my kids college. In terms of frames of reference, I recognized that "lack of debt" is a big help for new graduates even back then. I had gone through school on a combination of scholarships, grants, and student loans but it cost less back then and when my wife and I got married she had actually saved enough to pay of my remaining student debt (which was < $10K as I recall).

Because we didn't have debt, both working as engineers without kids let us save enough and have a good enough debt/income ratio to buy a house in California. And that was what allowed us to stay in California when she wanted to stay home and raise the kids. So looking back, it was a good call.

An exercise that I often gave my kids and engineers I've mentored is to "project your expenses forward" to get an understanding of your "burn rate" over time, then invest / save to ensure you're above the power curve (not incurring debt to pay a projected cost). Three areas I look at are < 1yr, < 5yrs, and > 5yrs. For the latter I put stuff in equities mostly, for < 5yrs it is a mix of equities and fixed income notes (bonds, CDs, etc) and < 1yr usually CD's. For example estimated tax payments (income and property) in CD's that are 3 month, 6 month, and 9 month maturities, depending on when the money will be required.

My parents put $100K of an inheritance my Dad got into a managed "growth" account, and each year if it had grown > $10K they would take out 10K for a vacation that year. That worked well for them being on fixed incomes.

Another friend of mine invested about $500K in a property in the Sacremento area and rents it out which gives them a steady income. It is more work however.


👤 orbit7
Pay off all debt, have a good safety net, sustainable charity, value investing, crypto is also at low point. Life style design - this is a useful starting resource in that respect: https://tim.blog/4-hour-workweek-tools/

👤 SamReidHughes
I'd look at companies Berkshire Hathaway holds shares in. I think some bank and credit card stocks are decently priced right now, both those Berkshire holds, and others.

Personally I prefer to avoid index funds because I don't know how the general market will go, but I did know how some specific companies would go. But I felt much more clarity about that last year. I don't want my returns to hinge on Federal Reserve policy, so each position I hold right now, IMO, is something that will do well regardless of Fed decision-making.


👤 listenallyall
MegaMillions jackpot is currently over $1 billion. Next draw is Tues. $700,000 will buy a lot of tickets.

👤 leoplct
Don’t buy stocks before 2H 2023, or until the 1Y US bond yield is greater than inflation. In other terms until the real interest rate is positive.

👤 cletus
There are a bunch of factors here but the key one is: what are your goals? How do you see your next 5/10/20 years?

The point of this is maybe you're intending to retire in 5 years. If that were the case, I wouldn't suggest dumping into the S&P500 necessarily.

Another is: what other assets do you have? Do you own your own home? What do you have in retirement savings? What other assets?

If you have children, live in the US and intend to for the foreseeable future, you may want to divert some funds into Roth IRAs for your children. This could be instead of or in addition to 529 savings plans.

If you come from somewhere else and intend to return to taht country then buying property in that country might make sense.

I would generally say own the house you live in. I don't mean outright. If you have a low interest rate locked in for 30 years there's zero point in repaying it early.

The default option would be to dump it in VTSAX but so much depends on individual circumstances and goals.


👤 nodesocket
- Pay off any credit card debt or any debt with an interest rate higher than 5% -- excluding mortgage(s).

- Make sure you have enough saved for taxes and hire a good accountant to help you optimize taxes. Lot's of options here, start a LLC, open a SEP retirement account, backdoor ROTH, etc.

- Max out a high yield savings ($250k) into something like Goldman Sachs Marcus (currently earns 3.3% risk free). Here is my referral promo if interested, we each get a interest rate boost https://www.marcus.com/share/JUS-TMY-6QYS

- Split up the remaining into investments. This is your choice, but I'd recommend the majority be an index fund ($SPY) or if you like tech and willing to accept higher risk ($QQQ). The rest you can speculate on individual stocks or cryptocurrencies.


👤 mahthrowaway
I was in the same situation a few years ago. I settled on a managed investment with a major broker (I picked Charles Schwab but they all offer it). You pick a target rate and they invest based on it, handle tax loss, etc.

One unexpected benefit is if you have >$500k invested, it opens up some additional services that I had no idea 'rich' people had available. For example - I can borrow against my investments anytime at the libor rate w/out cashing them out. It's not <1% anymore, but still super attractive should you need some of the money in the future.

I also took this opportunity to fully fund 529s. I think it was easier to write off that money the day I got it than mentally earmark it.


👤 jmpman
Max out ibond first for everyone in the immediate family?

👤 silisili
Personally, I'd just throw it in safe 4% account for a couple years. I have no faith the stock market isn't going to tumble. Then I'd probably buy real estate if/when it 'crashes.'

👤 jpn
Still valid. Put it in the SP500.

If you have kids, you can put it in Utah's 529, and save on taxes when you need it for college.

> The Fund employs an indexing investment approach designed to track the performance of the S&P 500 Index, a widely recognized benchmark of U.S. stock market performance that is dominated by the stocks of large U.S. companies.

http://www.vanguard.com/pub/Pdf/i854.pdf


👤 andrewmcwatters
I’m young so I would have said 100% VTSAX and forget about it, but if you’re middle aged, you might want to consider blending it with VBTLX.

👤 fortescue
Move slowly and get used to having the funds. Open an account at TreasuryDirect.gov (Assuming you are American) and use that to buy 26-week t-bills. Observe the balance and accrued interest each month. When the bills mature your attitude will be more relaxed, your risk appetite will be more well defined, and there may be some better investment opportunities

👤 ryl00
I'm 51. If it was me, I'd DCA it monthly into a 60/40 index like VBIAX over the next year or two. If the market drops near-term, you can re-assess your appetite/tolerance for risk. If it doesn't, you're easing your way into what should be a decent long-term position.

👤 whycombagator
Agree with the theme of finding out your options, paying down debt, and broadly investing.

Another option, while not passive: buying property and long term renting it. You should aim to have it pay back the initial investment and provide passive income in retirement. Easier said than done but entirely possible


👤 rafale
If you are bored with the safe and unsexy options in this thread, and u have a great appetite for risk: Wait until TQQQ (3x QQQ ETF) goes under 10$ and then start a DCA over 12 months. You can easily 50-100x ur investment in 10-20 years. Alternatively look up HFEA strategy. Think big!

👤 matthewwelch
If it were me, I’d consider getting residencies for yourself and your family in another country and then buying property there. Potential tax benefits, a second home and a place to escape if some crazy COVID-like stuff ever kicks off again!

👤 johnea
The best thing you could do, is purchase a 1989 Amel Sharki!

Then, I'll sail it around the world, and you can come and visit whenever I reach a resort location!!

Image a couple weeks a year in Fiji, Easter Island, Mata Nue!


👤 TradingPlaces
Right now I would recommend 3m T-bills earning 4.5%. When that matures, the SP funds are good. Set it and forget it.

Open an IRA, and get as much as you can into the IRA.


👤 a-r-t
Take a look at U.S. Treasury's Series I bonds [0][1]. You can buy up to $10K/social security number/year + extra $5K (if you use your tax refund to buy it). The interest rate is based on the inflation and is currently at 6.89%.

[0] https://www.treasurydirect.gov/savings-bonds/i-bonds/

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29067185


👤 more_corn
I’d buy property. Or better yet buy land and build housing.

It’ll generate a couple thousand a month. It’s low risk, generates income, easily transferable to heirs.


👤 reducesuffering
"Put it in SP500 via $VOO" is valid advice. An extra 10% - 40% of that into US total bond market $BND will go quite a ways to de-risking. So will another 20% in $VXUS for international stock market exposure.

I would personally recommend 50% $VTI, 20% $VXUS, 30% $BND. bogleheads.org for the reasoning why.

Flatly ignore anyone recommending 3x leverage HFEA gambling addict nonsense. Listening to them, your portfolio would be down 62% to $260k this year, worse than 09 great recession.


👤 yuppie_scum
Congratulations! First and foremost, pay your taxes.

Get a Vanguard advisor.

Pay your taxes.

REITs or maybe go for a income generating rental property or two.

Oh also make sure you pay your taxes.


👤 trelane
Generally, the format is too spend some, save some, and give some.

10% to charity, attend maybe another 10% if you feel like it, save the remainder.

For saving, make sure you have a good emergency fund of 4-6 months of expenses. Then start paying off debts, ending with your mortgage. Whatever you have left, put into a balanced set of mutual funds that have risk according to you tolerance for it. Pretty standard Dave Ramsey advice.


👤 ellis0n
Invest in the recovery of Ukraine. Many People can help you and tell you how to help People who need help.

👤 9front
Give 10% to less fortunate people. Avoid charities. Invest the remaining 90% in real estate.

👤 leoplct
Now: 1 year bond.

2H 2023: Vanguard high dividend etf (value stocks)


👤 leoplct
- 1Y bond, inflation indexed (no etf)

👤 0xEFF
bogle heads 60/40, rebalance when bands are broken and forget about it otherwise.

👤 justinzollars
Buy a farm in Iowa. Farms are a good inflation hedge, the land can be rented and the Fed can't print farm land.

👤 sathomasga
> I've been on HN for a loooong time.

And you’re asking random users for investment advice?


👤 ellis0n
I'm from Ukraine. Lets try invest or donate in https://animationcpu.com and Oompas coin. I'm in HN from 2012. I have a 3 investors whom got the profit already.