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📣 justinzollars

Why is the Twitter Files buried on HN?


The Twitter files is one of the biggest recent Silicon Valley scandals, demonstrating collusion between a major political party and a major tech company to suppress The Freedom of Speech. Why is it buried on HN?


  👤 Festro Accepted Answer ✓
1) The laptop scandal is old news 2) It's not buried, nobody cares about minor updates to old news 3) Freedom of Speech is a US concept, this is a global site 4) Freedom of Speech doesn't apply to private companies like you think it does 5) No collusion was shown to exist beyond the official channels that both top parties in the USA used at times - the twitter thread literally states this very clearly 6) We're talking about dick pics and hookers here, from someone who isn't a politician. It's like saying Tom Hanks is unsuitable as an actor because of Chet Hanks' latest antics. Grow up.

👤 orzig
Evidence for the claim?

Here’s some counter-evidence: I just did an HN search and found this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33838556

Seems like it got plenty of attention. If you think a different take on the issue deserves attention, try submitting it. Plenty of stories randomly fail to get traction (there are several analyses of this) so you would really need to show a significant sample size of these stories getting zero traction before you could imply they are being purposefully buried.


👤 dang
It isn't. Why did you think it was?

The Twitter Files - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33838556 - Dec 2022 (1544 comments)

The Twitter Files Part 2: Twitter's Secret Blacklists - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33915734 - Dec 2022 (412 comments)


👤 Dudelander
Mainly because most people here don't care. This is a professional tech community, and we view news from that lens. Because of this, what looks like a scandal to you is not surprising to us at all. Your idea of "The Freedom of Speech" just doesn't resonate with us. Anyone's who's worked at a social media company knows that if you don't aggressively moderate your content you end up with OnlyFans. Platform creators need broad moderation authority to do their jobs.

The idea that Twitter and other sites are "the digital public square" is the unfortunate result of CEOs overselling their businesses. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, etc are entertainment media first and foremost. They are not a suitable replacement for educational or public institutions, and people need to stop treating them as such.


👤 ffsoftboiled
Because it was a request for removal. It's not unusual for major political powers or companies to ask for something to be removed from a social media site. Both parties did it (as indicated by the files themselves). It wasn't handled well, but few things in life are. If you don't think big tech and political parties collude than are you against political donations? Because it's the same - tit for tat when capital is involved.

👤 PaulHoule
How many articles about Twitter have you seen make the front page in the last month?

Even when the /newest page was flooded with them and people were writing posts like

  "Tell HN: We're sick and tired of hearing about Twitter"
almost nothing was making the front page and I am pretty sure it was being suppressed. I see woke/anti-woke and trans/anti-trans articles sometimes get quite a few votes on newest and even break through to the front page but they rarely last long.

The whole point of HN is it is doesn't traffic in outrage. I might post something about political science but I won't post anything about politics. Once in a while you can stoke some outrage about how Google killed your favorite product or how you got bullied in elementary school but it is not like Twitter which is filled with pithy slogans and people complaining that they are being censored when all they are trying to do is assert their membership in a tribe.

(Somebody should start a site called "me too" where there is no censorship because you can assert your membership in your tribe by clicking the "me too" button. What's valuable about speech, priceless even, is people having the opportunity to really think about something and say something original. If people are "free" to spout nonsense through a megaphone there's not a lot of value in that.)

Anyway when I hear people complain about censorship I can't help but think about this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UryTypo2qeU


👤 tailspin2019
Slightly related to the question but I've been curious why a lot of Twitter related posts are being flagged (like OP's Ask HN currently is at the time of posting).

There's obviously been a lot of news - everyone is probably sick to death of it, but this is a site where people express their interest based on voting. HN readers can just not vote on Twitter stuff if it's no longer interesting.

Flagging, on the other hand, doesn't feel like the correct approach... If people disagree with the Ask HN question here (and I can see why as it's possibly a bit hyperbolic) I think the correct action is to either ignore it, or provide comments with counterarguments.

To me, flagging this seems to lend credence to the point OP is actually trying to make (regardless of whether you agree with the way the point is being made...)


👤 theduder99
I was just about to make the same post you did. Shadow banning and algorithmic trends manipulation was often treated as a conspiracy theory and yet today when we have screenshots of twitter's VF tools, it's treated like a nothing burger or buried.

👤 aww_dang
HN is an apolitical site.

Anything resting upon premises which contradict HN's political norms is therefore 'political'.

Flamewars usually ensue.

Therefore, before discussing a topic, be sure that the political premises are agreeable to the status quo.

This scandal does not pass the above test.


👤 krapp
>The Twitter files is one of the biggest recent Silicon Valley scandals, demonstrating collusion between a major political party and a major tech company to suppress The Freedom of Speech.

It isn't, and it doesn't, and the breathless hyperbole with which you describe it illustrates why it needs to be buried. "The Twitter Files" is clearly just this year's "Hunter Biden's Laptop" which was that year's "DNC Leaks prove treason" which was that year's Pizzagate. There's nothing of intellectual or technical interest here, it's just the American right throwing shit against the wall and hoping something sticks. It's no coincidence this story "broke" so soon after a certain orange bad man announced his candidacy.


👤 h2odragon
People who have concluded that "there's no wrong doing there" do NOT want to see evidence to the contrary.

Imagine if Trump asked Twitter to remove discussions about a "pee tape." The request alone would have been months of major media miasma, had it been granted they'd have called for bloodshed.


👤 pcdoodle
HN is as guilty as twitter IMO.