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📣 Eumenes

Consultants, what tax software do you use?


I've been paying a CPA $1800 a year to prepare my taxes and realized I'm getting ripped off. Can anyone suggest tax software for a simple return (several 1099s, maybe 2-3 dozen invoices, solo 401k, minimal expenses, home office deduction, etc)?


  👤 iancmceachern Accepted Answer ✓
No way. That's a bargain, you are not getting ripped off. I pay more than that happily, and (knock on wood) haven't been audited or had any issues yet. I did my own taxes one year and it was a total nightmare. Say it takes you 20 hours, which is a low estimate. You would save the equivalent of 90 bucks an hour, if your rate is 90 or more an hour your loosing money. If your rate is less, your an hourly employee not a consultant. Plus you get all the support, advice, and protections that come with having a CPA.

A side point, OP and all the comments here saying CPAs are "ripping off" people is unfair. It's not easy to become a CPA, these people need to pay for school, run a business, and pay their bills and support their family like everyone else. Their time is valuable, they charge for that value. That isn't ripping you off, it's providing a service that you are buying. As a consultant you wouldn't appreciate people saying you were ripping them off just because you sold them your services.

did my own taxes one year and the next year had my CPA review them, he found thousands of dollars I left on the table, so in the end it ended up costing me thousands more to do my own taxes.


👤 lowercased
Hrm... I guess I'm not getting as 'ripped off' as some folks. CPA does my business as well as personal/home - price went up to ~$1200 last year, from $1000/year for the previous several years. 'Business' has both consulting and some real estate/rental component, but it's likely a bit low-effort for them. Has still felt like a decent deal. Having to start over and do it myself feels like it's more trouble than it's worth...

👤 simmons
My situation is very similar to yours. For annual filings, I just use TurboTax Self-Employed (online). I'm not necessarily endorsing it. I haven't tried other solutions out of a fear that I would miss out on potential reduction of friction from the tool not having the context of previous years' returns.

For quarterly taxes, I use my own spreadsheets, including one that implements the annualized income installment method from Publication 505. (I can't fathom how some freelancers can have income so consistent and/or a crystal ball revealing their total year income that use of simpler methods is possible.)


👤 mdorazio
TurboTax works just fine for me. Integrates with my investment accounts and handles the typical combo of 1099, W-2, and supplemental income without issue.

The dark patterns have been getting worse, though, so look up what should and should not be free for filing.


👤 SkyPuncher
Just pay a CPA.

I was a contractor/consultant for a while. CPA was worth every penny (and very similarly priced). I never had to think about my taxes because my CPA knew told me everything he needed me to do.

My taxes were simple, so I could have done my CPA did, but it would have taken much longer and I would have likely missed things.


👤 rtp4me
I have a single-member LLC (with S-Corp designation) in NC that focuses on IT consulting. I track all my business expenses via simple google spreadsheet and hand over the spreadsheet plus the W2 income statements to my CPA at the end of the year. I pay the CPA about $900/yr for the Schedule K1 and pay about $50 to freetaxusa for personal taxes - including both federal and state taxes. This seems to work well for me.

In previous years, I did payroll manually (by hand), but moving forward, I have decided to use Square to pay my W2 since they properly track and file all state/fed tax forms. Less headache and stress at the end of each quarter. Worth the $40/mo in my opinion.

The only gotcha to my approach (CPA + freetaxusa) is you need to be your own tax "champion". That is, you must research and understand what tax deductible options are available for your business. For example, since I have an S-Corp, I can deduct health insurance, SEP-IRA (25% of W2 income), mileage, and any business-related expenses (hardware/software/office/etc). There are some other interesting deductions that push the limit of what the IRS will consider (eg: use your house as a business meeting place for less than 14 days/yr, use a second home to keep/store data off-site, etc), but I tend to shy away from those since they don't provide any real savings but raise flags during tax reviews.

Finally, get smart on the W2-vs-distribution method of pass-thru income. W2 income requires you to pay fed, state, and self-employment taxes, while the distribution method does not pay self-employment taxes. In general, you can pay yourself 50% W2 income + 50% distribution income and not raise an eyebrow at the IRS.


👤 bobleeswagger
Find a CPA who will earn their worth every year? Software isn't ever going to replace a human who cares about other humans.

👤 stevenkkim
How does one find a good tax accountant? I used to use one who cost around $1200/yr, but I lost trust in him for various reasons, so I do my own with TurboTax Home & Business. Probably not a good use of my time (takes 1-2 days per year), moderately complex taxes with multiple K-1s, LLC filings, home office deduction, but otherwise normal stuff like W-2s/1099s/standard deduction (not itemized).

When I search google or yelp results, it's hard for me to judge who is going to be competent and also reasonabily priced.

How did people find their accountant?


👤 neilv
For a few years, I got one of the pricier Intuit Turbo Tax desktop software options. And ran it from a Windows VM that would never have Internet access after the initial updates of Turbo Tax, so Intuit couldn't steal my data.

The last few years (no longer a consultant) I've just done my tax returns manually. The IRS offers editable PDF forms, and working through the instructions isn't that much harder than going through tax software's prompts.

(The home office deduction, for example, is simply a matter of understanding the rules, and using a measuring tape, and tax software can't automate much of that for you. And, as much as you have to do a little extra work for Solo 401k contributions when you do it manually, if you're using tax software, you still have to make sure you didn't miss or misunderstand the prompts that account for the pre-tax contributions, since that could be a very expensive mistake.)

For 2022, though, I'll probably wimp out, and go back to airgapped tax software, or find an accountant (who won't inadvertently hand my data to Intuit or others). The reason is that my particular state's forms are much more work than federal and they don't offer conveniently editable PDFs. Last time, I decided I would've gladly paid $1k not to have some forms feel like they were shortening my life by years.


👤 BeetleB
If your taxes are simple, do it yourself or via a tax prep software.

If your taxes are more complex than you can handle on your own, put in the effort to find a good CPA. Get several recommendations!

Here is a cautionary tale when it comes to paying people to do your taxes: https://blog.nawaz.org/posts/2022/Nov/do-you-trust-your-tax-...


👤 cloudking
I recently discovered https://keepertax.com through OpenAI, does anyone have experience with KeeperTax?

Per https://openai.com/api/ "Helps freelancers automatically find tax-deductible expenses by using GPT-3 to interpret data from their bank statements into usable transaction information."


👤 PopAlongKid
The CPAs have done such a good job of marketing their state-level credential that it seems they are almost considered synonmous with "tax professional". In fact, there are many other categories of tax professionals, such as Enrolled Agents, attorneys, and some states such as California have minimum education, bond, and registration requirements for anyone paid to prepare taxes.

CPAs as a result of that marketing may tend to charge higher for their service. It doesn't mean that they do a better job.

Given the degree of complexity stated by the OP (not very high, since there are no employees or business assets to speak of)[0] it should be easy to find someone with five or more years experience at a local H&R Block office who can do just as good a job for half the price, along with various guarantees on the work.

[0] of course we don't know what else was involved - is it a MFJ return, are there dependents with various credits, fancy investment income, itemized deductions, etc? Those items also add to complexity beyond just the consulting business.


👤 hn_user2
I pay $175 a month and that includes book keeping and tax prep for the business.

They specialize in consultants and helped structure the LLC taxed as an S-corp to save a ton of money on payroll taxes.

They prepared a statement for justification on the portion of funds I take as salary.

They balance my bank accounts as part of the book keeping.

When applying for loans having several years of CPA stamped financials makes applications a breeze.

They have stopped me from doing a few borderline things which may have been technically legal, saved me a minuscule amount of money, but would have almost guaranteed an audit in their opinion.

When I had some very complex ideas for some things I wanted to do, the CPA scheduled an hour call to discuss and give me details on how to make it work.

I used to do my own taxes. And still do for my personal taxes. But I find having a firm keep my books totally worth it.

Searching for book keepers that specialize in independent contractors should bring them and some competitors up.


👤 brudgers
I'm getting ripped off

My guess is you haven't ever received a letter from the IRS saying you owe money, because $1800/year might sound like a bargain to avoid the stress such a letter creates.

For example, I once had a client switch their billing service. Each service sent a 1099 to the IRS for the same work for the same client for the same tax year.

The IRS is a blunt instrument.

I got a bill (for taxes, interest, and penalties) because I had only paid taxes on the money I was paid.

Yes it all got resolved properly.

But I opened a letter with five figures of taxes owed.

And had to figure out what had happened while completely freaked out and in a domain where I was operating for the first time. Would have been nice to have just called my accountant.

Of course your mileage may vary, and so to your luck.


👤 indigodaddy
I’m quite surprised by the amount of commenters here that don’t do their own taxes. I feel like the numbers being mentioned are also quite high, even for those with ballooned salaries..

👤 gregjor
I used TurboTax for years. Last year I used the free tax prep offered by Square. The result was the same as TurboTax and not any more tedious to use. E-filed with IRS just fine. It doesn't handle everything TurboTax does (for example no Foreign Earned Income Exemption, no partial year state resident returns), so look at what it does and doesn't support.

You can usually deduct what you pay a CPA or tax preparer if you need to continue getting professional tax help.


👤 edude03
At least in Ontario 1800 would be a really good deal. I pay mine about $6000/y.

To answer your question though, Xero and it's pretty great once setup correctly


👤 ryanwaggoner
I’ve always used TurboTax, and I don’t think it’s worth paying a CPA to punch the numbers into their tool instead of me punching the numbers into mine.

What’s worth paying for is: 1) bookkeeping, and 2) advice on how to structure things for maximum tax benefit, but it’s very hard to find an ethical CPA who will have any advice for an operator of your size that you can’t figure out yourself with a few hours of research.


👤 kazinator
Self-written, in Lisp dialect I made myself, based on a ledger entered into a text file (which compiles!).

Got every cent in tax I could get: capital cost allowance on business use of personal car, and such.

Used the output of the software to successfully fight tax-related misreporting from a company I was contracting for. Canada Revenue Agency sided with me, agreeing with my interpretation of how accounting should be done.


👤 misiti3780
I pay a professional

👤 thinkingemote
What's your day rate and how long would it take you do do it yourself? That's the other side of the "am I being ripped off" equation.

If you have lots of free time and many freelancers have down time, then maybe it's cost effective to do it yourself regardless of the time taken.

There are various freelancer SSAS which will help you do it too. A kind of halfway.


👤 AaronNewcomer
I have been pretty happy with QuickBooks self-employed. I have the version which comes with TurboTax filing.

You can classify all of your income and expenses throughout the year, including your home office, deductions and any other deductions that you qualify for and then it automatically transfers it over to TurboTax.

It also calculates your quarterly filings and helps facilitate paying those.


👤 aw-engineer
I’m moving away from software and cloud solutions, and have selected a local accountant to prepare my filings.

👤 EvanAnderson
My two member LLC sounds pretty similar to your size. I’m spending about that for my personal returns, the LLC’s K-1, and municipal returns. Given that I can spend the time billing, in lieu of prepping taxes, it seems like a break-even or a win for me to spend the money on the CPA.

👤 opan
I asked Stallman what he does for taxes once and I believe he downloads the relevant PDFs and uses xournalpp for modifying/signing them as needed. I was planning to give this a go rather than give in to using turbotax like most people I know.

👤 brk
Why not DIY it? Particularly with "minimal expenses", it's really just math for what you are describing. Almost any tax software package will be able to handle what you describe.

👤 D13Fd
We’re at a similar price level. But I refuse to feed the tax software lobbying machine. They are responsible for how hard it is to file taxes, and their lobbying kills every attempt to fix it.

👤 0xEFF
TurboTax business. It’s the same underlying engine tax preparers use.

👤 drummer
None, taxation is theft and slavery.

👤 BigBalli
I'm ok with TurboTax.