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📣 mac_was

Would you like to join a mob programming group?


I've been thinking of setting up a fully remote mob programming group and looking for a few people to join.

We could meet on zoom or use some other tool and tackle together some interesting issues from GitHub or pick an interesting project and work on it. I'm a full stack dev and that is a sort of project I'm interested in working on.

I'm UK based and would love to meet during the week after 8 PM as I have kids and want to put them to bed.

If you're interested reply with an email or ping me on telegram - username is mac_tele

Want the first meeting to happen next Thursday at 8:30 PM UK time

I'll set up a mailing group where we will agree on the tools to use and pick the first task to work on.

I'm not interested in opinions about mob programming, I have very positive experience with remote sessions :)


  👤 setr Accepted Answer ✓
> I'm not interested in opinions about mob programming, I have very positive experience with remote sessions :)

Well, I am. Wtf is mob programming and who’s got hands-on-keyboard?

Pair programming makes sense because a discussion can be held — mob programming makes me imagine twitch plays Pokémon


👤 pablo24602
Very interesting concept, as I understand it from the material on https://www.remotemobprogramming.org/.

From the name "mob programming" I thought it was something more akin to those mob dances- ie. a large group of technically savvy people organize around an issue and focus their willpower on it for a few hours (like, from 6-9 PM on a random Saturday, 50 programmers coordinate solve all the open issues on a random open source project, out of nowhere.)


👤 culopatin
Would you accept having a fly in the wall? Doesn’t help you at all, but helps me tremendously!Can’t think of any better way to experience a bunch of “ooooh that’s how you do that” moments. As a solo programmer without formal education I often wonder how could I do X better

👤 deterministic
Mob programming seems to be a super inefficient way to develop software. Basically programming by committee?

👤 mikewarot
This is my first hearing of the concept. I'm not sure I'd have anything to add, as I've only programmed solo, with most of that being in the 1980s with DOS and early windows.

👤 moralestapia
It sounds fun, I'd like to give it a try to see what it's like (mail in profile).

👤 ushercakes
I would be interested in watching recorded YouTube sessions of this, to see how it works

👤 bsldld
I am interested, but initially could I participate just as an observer?

👤 Metalic
Sound like an interesting concept, count me in, see email in my profile.

👤 cowboynwf
I'm totally down. I'm a verse developer.

👤 mr_o47
How can we get involved

👤 sayanimondal
I received a great question and wanted to explore the ideas that I have on the subject. A team that has successfully started Mob Programming is experiencing " " a loss of personal satisfaction and a desire to code solo.

I was in the same place when we first started mobbing. Although I couldn't pinpoint the cause, I felt something was missing when I was programming my own programs. I did a lot soul searching in the beginning of mobbing. I felt like there were two main problems I was having in staying happy with my circumstances. The first was the feeling of triumph over adversity that I experienced when I solved code-related problems myself. The second was boredom I felt when writing code that seemed "easy".

We all realized that we were able to produce more software than production every time we practiced Mob Programming. This meant that I had to find out what was bothering and how to overcome it, regardless of how I felt. Mob programming will never be solo coding. So, was the joy I experienced programming alone the result of the fact that I was not surrounded by others?

Joy in a Mob

There are many ways to find personal satisfaction. During my mobbing introspection, I was able to identify some of the issues. These problems disappeared over time. I was a solo developer and had those moments when I solved a problem and then cheered because I did it. It was also satisfying to help another developer solve a problem that I was responsible for. I felt better about myself the more complex the system I worked on.

Jane McGonigal's book Reality is Broken was the first place I heard the term Fiero.

The definition of fire is: "Fiero" is what we experience after we overcome adversity. It is what you feel and see. It's because almost everyone expresses fiero in the exact same way: We throw our arms above our heads and shout.

This feeling is something I get all the time when programming by myself. It seemed less frequent when I was first in a mob. It was clear that the team needed to have a baseline of technical skills. We all began to discover what we knew and how we could each contribute. Software developers feel fiero when they get stuck on a problem and then find a solution. It feels less like this happens when a new mob is formed. I believe the reason is that there is a technical Satir model. The most technical people who form a mob will be spending the majority of their time teaching, while the less experienced will spend much of their time learning. This feeling of fire comes back once we have reached the technical norm for our teams. You will only now have people with whom to shout and high-five!

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