HACKER Q&A
📣 childintime

Starlink Signup failed, no recourse


On october 27th, when I first heard about Starlink for RV's, I immediately signed up at starlink.com and paid €480. I filled in my email and my phone number, but to date I have not received a confirmation of receipt from Starlink. The payment was a direct transfer.

I have gone through the (not great) starlink support pages, and one can apparently only contact starlink through an account that becomes available through the confirmation email. Naturally I have none. It also states that if that confirmation email wasn't confirmed, the order would be cancelled after 7 days (it hasn't). There was no email in my Spam folder.

Now it's been over 3 weeks. I am a customer but as far as starlink is concerned, I am not. They obviously did their utmost best to not need a helpdesk, having generous procedures in place for when things fail. There is no one to talk to, not even a silly bot. This is all great when it works, but when you fall on the side where things don't work as intended, as I do now, it doesn't exactly feel great. It feels like a scam, it's indistinguishable.

There is also a potential for a scam. If I somehow filled in a slightly wrong email address someone else could, in theory, have taken over my account, and could have redirected the shipment. The point is, I'll never know, and I was not made aware of such risk while signing up. Indeed the signup experience was strangely feed-forward, without an email-confirmation step. In the end it felt like I was supposed to dump €480 into a void, with nothing to show for, except a bank transfer. I was forced to rely on the reputation of the brand, only.

I think the above is a relevant data-point to many of you (non-scammers), because it represents an extreme case, even beyond Google, one where not only the non-fallability of software artifacts is presumed, but also the non-fallability of the organizational process that led to its 100% no-contact design.

That's sure to have some relevance to the community, but of course I just want someone to talk to and solve what could have been the smallest of issues. Any advice on how to proceed next is appreciated.

Edit:

- as commenters have mentioned, there is a reset option, by email or phone. AFAIK neither works.

- I'm pretty sure I filled in everything correctly, and at the correct site. Never had this kind of problem.


  👤 hluska Accepted Answer ✓
Forgive me if this doesn’t help - I have absolutely no experience with Starlink, but did some digging, found some Reddit threads and have an idea:

1.) To start, open up:

https://auth.starlink.com/

2.) Click “locked out”.

3.) There’s a chance you entered your email incorrectly, but this screen gives you the option to recover by either email or phone.


👤 IAmGraydon
You weren't scammed - at least not by anyone but Starlink/SpaceX. They're just that poorly set up.

You may already know this, but the entity you made payment to is:

Starlink Internet Services Limited

5th Floor, Beaux Lane House, Mercer Street Lower, Dublin 2 D02 DH60

Registered with the Company Registration Office under No. 677409

Lauren Dreyer is listed as the Director: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauren-d-8077b594/

Her email address: edit - removed now that OP has seen it


👤 NelsonMinar
Starlink's customer service is terrible, your experience is common based on what I read on /r/starlink. Folks there pass around the email address starlinkresolutions@spacex.com as a possible way to get help but I'm not so sure that really works.

You should definitely pursue a refund from your bank. I hope you don't have to initiate a legal proceeding.


👤 hedora
This kind of sounds normal for starlink. Do you know any neighbors, etc with an account? They might be able to file a ticket.

Alternatively, call the bank, claw the money back, and use a different email/phone to establish a new account.

Their might be an address you could contact (they have to have one on file for lawsuits, etc).


👤 danpalmer
Sorry for your situation, I hope perseverance gets you through to someone.

I’m not hugely surprised that they lack customer support. SpaceX won’t have had any of that in their DNA, won’t be practiced at it, and will have had to scale that function rapidly. Unless they hired amazing leadership for it at the outset, it’s going to take a while I’m sure.

Given customer support experiences at, ahem, related, companies, it may not be a priority for senior leadership. It needs to be something the top care deeply about and treat as an advantage, otherwise it’ll be perpetually underdeveloped and scraping by to provide the bare minimum as it will be treated as a cost centre rather than a differentiator.


👤 coding123
Not sure if Starlink was set up this way, but teaching moment:

Before taking a payment on a SPA, everyone please make a separate database transaction that records the user - come back to display the UI for CC collection AFTER. If you try to add the user, run the CC and return in one shot, while attractive from a transactional perspective, it's NOT good if your DB rolls back but the third party CC processing did not.

Then you end up with users that pay, but no record of payment in your DB. Get it right people.

Yes you can at least confirm your own transaction is committed in one shot THEN perform the CC, but separating these two out is still the best bet.


👤 throwawaaarrgh
How you treat your customers reflects company values, and company values reflect leadership's values.

👤 c7b
I suppose you won't have anything but the payment to prove this? Might still be worth taking this to a consumer protection association in your country - Starlink is the kind of service they might be willing to take on if stuff like this happens. It would still be some hassle for you, but you'd have a very good chance of either getting your money back or getting what you ordered.

👤 RobotToaster
If you are in the UK, as someone else said, your best recourse is to file a claim with the small claims court.

👤 jimmydean12
Contact your bank immediately to start the process to get your funds back

Sometimes these claims are limited in time by a number of days (like 30) so get it on it straight away!


👤 natch
Do you allow your browser to save inputs such as email addresses you put into forms? If yes, maybe you could find where the browser stores this info and check the email address.

As just one data point, I can confirm that they do send a confirmation message when they receive an order. But you probably already have heard this from others. One way to get their attention would be to get your bank to reverse the transfer, if they can possibly do that, which they might, given the circumstances. Of course that risks resetting your timeline.

Also check your deleted emails folder (since you didn't mention this). BTW three weeks is not a long time when it comes to waiting for Starlink. I waited a year.


👤 cies
Paid by creditcard? Compile your efforts to get in touch with them (needed to proof you did everything to get them to live up to their promise) and file charge back.

👤 childintime
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UPDATE: the good news is here, this is going to get solved!

I had posted a copy on Reddit r/Starlink. Just now I found a response from Starlink Operations in my Reddit inbox.

The responses here have all been very well considered and helpful, that has been kinda magic. Thank you so much!

=====================================================


👤 O__________O

👤 retrocryptid
I had a similar experience here in the states, but fortunately know people who work at spacex. I believe the official process is to trawl LinkedIn to find a contact with the company who can forward your request to someone who can handle it.

👤 NiekvdMaas
You might have made a typo in your email adres. Open https://auth.starlink.com/forgot-password and click on "phone" to reset by phone number.

👤 consumer451
r/Starlink on reddit may be able to help, at least with more information.

👤 rasz
>€

Contact your regional consumer protection agency.

>did their utmost best to not need a helpdesk

EU is pretty serious about ability to contact real live person on the other end of any business operating in EU.

> I am a customer

no you arent


👤 LightG
Tweet Elon... I'm sure he's very focused on these Starlink customer problems at this time and will be right with you. He's a man of his word.

* stifled laughter *


👤 hughes
I have an account and could try filing a ticket for you.

👤 WirelessGigabit
Dear Europeans. This is where Credit Cards come in handy.

👤 toss1
Perhaps start hunting the executives and employees on LinkedIn?

👤 jbverschoor
Maybe try twitter

👤 ramijames
Stop giving money to Elon Musk and his projects.