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📣 ohlookwhatsthat

How to deal with burn out whilst in probationary period?


I think I’m suffering with burn out and just want to crawl under the covers and come out again in spring, unfortunately I am only half way through my probation period and don’t have an vacation days.

I left a long term job about 7 months ago, join another company and very quickly realised I didn’t like the atmosphere so left there for what should have been my dream job, however I’m 4 months in, still in probationary period and think I’m burning out (home, kids, marriage, etc)

I’m not sure if to tell my boss, tell the company or how to deal with it, because I can’t afford to loose this job with a family to support.


  👤 midnightmonster Accepted Answer ✓
Background: I have only worked on small teams, usually in small companies. I have done hiring and firing and had one newly-hired employee dealing with burnout and others with other mental health issues.

I'm assuming the boss/company cannot afford to keep you on indefinitely if you're not productive. As a manager, how I react to you bringing some version of this to me honestly depends a lot on how promising I thought you were and how well you seem to be doing so far.

If you're doing really well and I had no idea you were feeling burnt out until you told me, I want to find ways to accommodate within whatever my constraints are and help you get on your feet. Likewise if your work quality and productivity varies a lot with some excellent and some disappointing, though it's critical that some be excellent, or at least excellent-given-your-level-and-how-long-you've-been-here.

If you haven't given me much reason to believe you're going to be a great asset to the team eventually, I'm sympathetic but it's going to seem like a bad business decision to pay you while you drag down the perceived 'bar' of productivity.


👤 gtirloni
Seek professional help. Meds or therapy might help. Don't face this alone.

And no, don't tell your boss. If they haven't noticed your burnout by now, it'll only make them be super critical of everything you do. Yes, bosses can be friends but it's a new job, I doubt you have bonded that strongly already (or you wouldn't be asking this question here in the first place).


👤 throwaway_faang
You are not alone.

I left a job of 3 years after feeling a little bored/frustrated, thought a new job would fix things but it only made things worse. I last 2 months before leaving for another job, 3 months into that and I felt equally burned out. No amount of gritting my teeth has made it completely easy and all these jobs were paying 400k+ in total comp, so the money wasn't making it tolerable either.

Given I have a sick family member and a mortgage to pay, I can't just quit or loose this job. So I remind myself that others have it much worse and that I really need this job.

My strategy so far: 1. Set an end date, I know that I'm going to switch jobs and roll the dice again at a pre-determined time. This helps me be more sane by having a finite timeline on leaving this environment. 2. Coast as much as possible, do just enough to stay employed and don't work too hard or sacrifice your mental energy/health for things like technical debates or politics. Just do what people ask to stay afloat, don't make enemies and try to be someone non-controversial that everyone likes (or at least doesn't hate) to talk to. 3. Focus any and all free time on things that make you happy. Do hobbies that don't involve screens, make physical things, exercise, see your friends, have quality time with your wife and kids, work on developing new skills that make you feel fulfilled.

Not sure if this is relevant to you, but the most important thing for me has been recognizing that (for me personally) work is not a place to get fulfillment or meaning out of life. Can it do that sometimes? Sure it can, it has for small periods of time for me. But if you rely on it being your primary source of identity and meaning, then you are inevitably going to be burnt out and disappointed eventually. Find meaning in the rest of life and have more balance.


👤 ngrost24
Personally, when I've been burned out, the cause hasn't been a single factor and it was gradual. Not sure if this was mentioned in the prior comments, but imo the first person that you should discuss this with is your wife and depending on how close you are, the rest of your support system (friends, other family). E.g. wife might agree to take over some larger load, look after the kids instead of you for larger period of time, provide you more space or not nag you for some projects that you were supposed to do. The point is for them to provide support and to allow you to gradually get out of the burn out. From my point of view, burn out is not a binary state and by alleviating some factors you can have a bigger recharge than what you spend. If you do any changes, try to be aware if you seeing any improvements and if not consider more drastic changes. I wouldn't talk about this with my boss, unless the rest of the changes is not working.

👤 js4
Are you exercising? If not get out for a walk/hike or run every day to help you refresh.

I know with kids/marriage/etc this can be hard to do but I (someone in a similar situation) find that an hour of exercise every day makes all the difference in the world.


👤 arianvanp
My advice would be to sit out the other two months and then take sick leave. Look for help already though whilst you're going through these last two months of probation.

I would advice not discussing this with the company until your probationary period is over. As they can let you go for any reason. Once you are through you have a firm ground to take time off and recover.

I'm not sure if you're in EU or not. But at least in Germany if you are let go during probation whilst on sick leave, your health insurer will pay out 70% of your salary until you are better. After that the unemployment office will take over. Id advice talking to a local employment lawyer to know your rights but know there is usually a safety net for these scenarios. Perhaps it makes you feel more secure in calling in sick even if you are still in the probation period.

If you happen to be in Germany and need someone to talk to to figure things out regarding your rights feel free to DM me on Twitter.


👤 scythe
I don't like recommending that anyone take drugs so they can cope with their job — it reeks of dystopia. But in your situation, the path of least resistance is to go to a psychiatrist and ask for an antidepressant. Make sure to mention if you have trouble sleeping as this will affect the choice of treatment.

Over time, hopefully you will be able to find other ways to manage stress, and take a well-deserved vacation.


👤 mxuribe
@ohlookwhatsthat Firstly, you are not alone. I'm going through something similar. I'm used to staying at jobs a long time (years at a time)...but 8 months into my current job, and what should have been my dream job, and I am already seeking a new job. And my job before that, I was there only 7 months. Something about these last 2 jobs where i am burnt out and unhappy. And my current job - again, should be my dreamjob at least in title - but its far from it. Before i started looking for a new job, lately i have been coping with what @mytailorisrich suggested: "...try to find ways to relax in the evenings and weekends...". That seems to work a little. It certainly does not solve the issues that i'm feeling, but it helps cope...while i figure out my next step. Honestly, as a technologist, i frankly don't know if i should go to yet another tech job - and risk encountering yet another crappy situation - or pivot to a different career? Of course pivting comes with a liklely lowering of salary, so there's that to contend with - if i choose that route.

I'm sorry that i don't have a solution for you. But i just wanted to say that you are not alone. Maybe try exercise or some other distraction...again to help cope woith things. Who knows, maybe as you do these other coping activities, maybe you wil stumble on what your solution could be? Good luck, feel better, and hang in there! If you wish to chat, feel free to reach out; my HN profile has my contact info.


👤 driverdan
I'm surprised no one is commenting on the lack of vacation for 4 months. You can't even take a single day off? I'd be looking for another job due to that alone.

👤 ebfe1
I think, firstly, you need to start working on yourself, ask your partner to help you navigate through this difficult time. Proactively find ways to get your productivity and passion to learn back....Get a standing desk if you have not already, personally, I found standing desk make me focus more. Ask others to help pick up kids or drop off so you can have solid 6,7 hours working and refocusing. I find it hard to juggle between kids and job as well.

On the "should I tell my boss" note, I would do that after trying everything else and ask whether it is possible to take temporary 1 week off without pay to get yourself back on track. Since you barely know your boss, I think you should not focus on how it affects your work yet and just explain how it affects your family everybody has family so I think your boss would resonate.

I like to look at it this way, you are hired because you have the skill and proved to be better than other candidates and the company took time and effort to find you, I trust that they will want to work with you through this instead of abandoning you.

Last but not least, I find that for every job, you feel a little loss at first but to truly integrate and feel like you are part of the team is to start having some wins (big or small) so you should look around, find taks that you can accomplish or want to learn/work on and actively request to do those. It will help boosting your confident and make working more fun imo.


👤 Overtonwindow
Burnout during probationary period is a red flag. I suggest reevaluating your workplace decision.

👤 Kelteseth
Isn't this what probationary period is for? To know if you like this job and leave if not.

👤 mattw2121
I'm sure this will be a wildly unpopular opinion, but welcome to life? The stories of people burning out and needing time off or sabbaticals seems so privileged. My dad was in sales for 60 years. Did he experience struggles in life (both work and home)? Sure, we all do. Did he ever throw in the towel and stop being productive? No, he grit his teeth and he worked through it.

There's always going to be times in your career that you are more or less productive. Some times everything is clicking and you feel like you're firing on all cylinders. Other times things suck and you just have to show up and do your best. I've been through that pattern so many times in my career, I can't even count.


👤 rr888
> home, kids, marriage, etc

That is pretty vague. Are you home less? More stressed and arguing? Sounds like you need to talk to your spouse and go over what is going on - they should be accepting of the situation and maybe cut you some slack? Get a baby sitter and spend time with them. I know I take responsibilities very seriously and get stressed when my new boss really doesn't expect too much from the new guy. Make sure you get some rest and me time. If you're spending lots of time stressed but procrastinating you should ask more questions or work more closely with a buddy. I have the exact same problem though so when you figure out the answer tell me. :)


👤 xherberta
> think I’m burning out (home, kids, marriage, etc)

Do you think you could manage the job if there were no expectations on you outside the job? Could your partner get on board with you needing some time with very few home responsibilities (as it's best for the family in the long run)?

Can you find access to nature? For me, a couple of unstructured hours getting bored in a truly natural setting feels almost like a vacation.

Karezza could help create a generous, non-transactional vibe at home and help you maintain creative energy.

Best wishes as you navigate this.


👤 atrandom
Like others said - find a therapist. See if your work has a mental health plan, like modernhealth or it's ilk. It takes some time to find the right therapist and it can be hard to make time in the routine to see one. The good thing is that therapy can be done online. (it's not idea, but during the pandemic it became clear that it can be effective).

Don't wait, start somewhere. The therapist can help you distill what changes you can make in your life to get to a better place.


👤 totetsu
Had this happen at company that had unlimited wellness leave from day one and made a big deal about looking after people and still got dealt with ruthlessly.

👤 28304283409234
Do not tell your boss. Your boss is boss your friend. You have a business arrangement. Find a way to hold up your end of the arrangement that still leaves you breathing and with energy at the end of the day.

👤 bitwize
You are already fired. Begin your search for a new, more satisfying job NOW.

👤 mytailorisrich
It may the the stress and effort of moving into a new company/team after the comfort of a long term job.

If so, you should probably keep at it. Baby steps and try to find ways to relax in the evenings and weekends.


👤 devoutsalsa
Do you have short term disability? You can get a doctor’s note that will excuse you from work.

Check this out:

https://youtu.be/4oiRLeaxaoI

#notlegaladvice


👤 codingdave
> I’m not sure if to tell my boss, tell the company or how to deal with it, because I can’t afford to loose this job with a family to support.

Looking at this from another angle, you cannot afford to keep this job because you have a family to support. A burnt-out parent is not helpful to their family. You need your energy to truly support them, and if this job is burning you out, then it is not working.

So yes - tell your boss. Tell your company. Either they will work with you and fix the problem, or they won't and you need to find something else. Either way, you are acting on a problem instead of stagnating in burnout. The short-term pain of finding new work is better than the long-term pain of being a burnt-out parent.


👤 alphabettsy
I went through a similar period in my latest role. On the other side of it I’m wondering if it’s normal to be overwhelmed in the first 6 months. Leaning towards it being very likely so.

👤 casualwriter
- please talk to someone you trust - talk to Doctor, seek professional help - workout, jogging or hiking, etc.. - pick up a personal interests, reading, etc..

👤 pcurve
Can you tell us more about other aspects of your life that is causing difficulty? Also does the new job offer 9 to 5 schedule?

👤 joshxyz
if you got small savings, take some time off. if not, suck it up bro you got a fam haha. maybe start talking about it with your wife which could understand you more and give you better perspectives other than strangers in the internet.

👤 traceroute66
> I’m not sure if to tell my boss, tell the company

Let's be honest here. You know the right thing to do is to tell your boss / company.

As someone who has sat on the employer side of the table, I can tell you that there's nothing that pisses off an employer more than an employee that tries to hide things, and then, by the time it becomes known, its too late. Its always better to be proactive and resolve a problem before it becomes a PROBLEM.

Speaking frankly for a moment, do you honestly think your employer will be happy if you say nothing during your probation period and then you start claiming sick leave and vacation days on Day One ?

Honestly, the best thing is to be grown-up about it and talk to your employer. Your employer will appreciate it. You will feel less stressed out about it. Win-Win.