HACKER Q&A
📣 _qzu4

Are VC startups and FANG the only places to earn large sums of money?


Other than FANG, VC-backed startups, and fintech, are there any other places to earn large decent amount of money in tech?


  👤 andrewmcwatters Accepted Answer ✓
Honestly it doesn’t even seem like FAANG is very attractive in terms of comp to quality of life anymore. Or if it ever was. Maybe I’m wrong.

Base comp seems comparable to the Phoenix metro, but TC is jacked due to RSUs.

You have to sell yourself as an idiot-fanatic to those companies; you live and breathe Apple/Amazon life etc. Only to work with engineers who are by no measurable means the top 1% of the industry.

There seem to be really brilliant people who work elsewhere or just own their own business because they have zero tolerance for the absolute stupidity of the hiring and culture at FAANG-likes. They are simply scattered about.

To answer your question, you can’t answer this question without collecting lots of data. Find tech companies, and probing for their compensation packages one way or another. Working with recruiters, collecting job postings, understanding regional TC.


👤 goethes_kind
Some others that come to mind:

  1. consulting
  2. IT service firms (you have to be the owner of course)
  3. being experienced in a really boring but useful niche: e.g. Wordpress plugins
  4. having a cousin who works for the local gov and can help you win IT contracts
I think of all these fall in the same category: owner of tech/IT firm who provides boring but useful services and can get constant work.

👤 oh-4-fucks-sake
What's a "large sum"? If you compare how relatively spoiled we software engineers are to other (even white collar) careers, we're doing pretty darn well. Even if you're making super-low-end in the US at like $80k, many people in other careers would never dream to pull that much. Many of us are comfortably pulling $120k-$170k and that's unfathomable to many people. In everywhere but (maybe) the most expensive city centers in America, that's a very, very good life.

I'm assuming "large sums of money" here means (at least) $250k+. I guess I start to ask "how much is enough"?


👤 arikr
Quantitative trading firms like Two Sigma, Jane Street

👤 treis
Not even close. In fact there's a whole universe of enterprise focused consulting that pays a lot of money for experienced developers. Think SAP, Oracle, Cisco, Salesforce, etc. consultants that lead 9 figure projects.

👤 nunez
Many market trading firms and hedge funds pay their engineers about the same as they'd make in FAANG, in all cash. However, you're locked to another high cost of living city (NYC) unless you work in commodities, which is in Chicago (cold six months of the year), or you work in oil/gas which is in Houston, TX (muggy for 8-9 months of the year, and you're also driving _literally everywhere_).

If you're a people person and are willing to travel, you can make a lot of money in tech sales.

If you're not a people person but are (really) good with tech and are willing to travel, you can make a lot of (but not FAANG-tier) money in consulting or pre-sales.

The best part about these two options is that you can escape the need to live in a city with a very high cost of living. Many of my peers make a lot of money but live in crazy cheap cities. Just have to be willing to be near an airport (about an hour away is good).

I hear that engineers working at defense contractors can make ridiculous money as well, but you're working at the speed of the government, most of the "good" work requires a government clearance, and the tech gets older as you go up in clearance level. You're also, more than likely, going to work on things that kill people or save people from being killed, in some way or another.

To quantify, "a lot of money" to me means >$250k/year.


👤 turtlebits
What is a large amount of money?

I generally don't like talking to recruiters, but that is probably the one question you should ask them.


👤 jurschreuder
I make computer vision edge devices, this is my second year doing it and on target for 0.5M revenue this year, without VC money.

I think the secret trick is being really good at what you do.

What I always aim for is to make products and not be an agency.

You can sell a product multiple times per hour, you can sell a person hour only once per hour.


👤 sasquatch69
large employee pay is driven significantly by revenue per employee + margins (or significant money pumped into it for whatever other reason, ie crypto at least some time ago) imo.

FANG, VC-backed startups, and fintech have them, there are others as well, although you need to look at what the specific companies do in addition to overall industry trends. one that seems like it would fit high revenue per employee + margins is oil and gas for example.

specializing helps (ie data science, DevSecOps, etc) on the engineering side

you can also take home millions as an employee if you're in like the top 1% of salespeople and at a company with a good product/commission plan in likely any industry, although it's not for most people and if you fail you will probably make less than the pre-career transition.


👤 Lionga
Freelancing can earn you FAANG Salaries on your own terms, in much much lower COL and with lower taxes. If you earn 300K in a low tax (say 10%), low COL country that is same purchasing power as earning 1.5 to 2 Million in SF or any other HCOL area.

👤 smabie
I would include trading firms and some hedge funds in this list as well.

👤 blaser-waffle
Define large sums of money.

levels.fyi has the salaries for FAANGs, but also other places. Plenty of juicy salaries in non-FAANGs.

Sales -- esp. SaaS -- can make crazy money. Close a big deal and walk home with 100k, and possibly residuals if they keep re-upping.

Own any business, be it in tech, or whatever. I've personally known plumbers who own their own business and make over $300k a year and only go out in calls a couple of times a week -- their guys do the rest.

Also know several lawyers -- rough field, btw -- but they have won cases and earned fees in the hundreds of thousands of dollars (probate issues, IIRC). Not the story for a lot of lawyers, most don't make anything amazing, but that's true for most fields: for every startup angel who makes it big there are plenty of engineers and founders who don't get shit; a lot of baseball players never make it out of the minors...


👤 f0e4c2f7
Software Sales, Security, DevOps / SRE.

👤 acuozzo
Defense Contracting

👤 lazyeye
1. Work within the law

2. Make lots of money

3. Enjoy your job

Choose any two.


👤 dustymcp
gambling, crypto comes to mind

👤 bordercases
By a long shot, no.

FAANG sets tempo for salaries for every other company. Other companies might not reach that level of craziness, but many do end up near a similar bar.