I've noticed I tend to have more faith in other people's convictions than my own, assuming, essentially, if they believe in something, there must be a great reason behind it
My own opinions tend to be weakly expressed & weakly held. It's usually been good, allowing me to listen and understand others. However, growing in career, I feel my opinions not taken as seriously because the perception of their weakness.
What I've tried, maybe the reverse of it might be helpful:
1. Consciously reflecting that other people have roughly similar amount of self-doubt, even if they don't express it. Even if they present opinions strongly, it doesn't necessarily mean these are right.
2. Lowering the bar for going from 'this might possibly be..' to 'i think this is..' to 'this is..' --- that has been very uncomfortable, and still is depending on the audience.
I love working with peers who don't over-sell their opinions, but have adjusted to have a more equal playing field with those who are more opinionated (both kinds are great people).
+1 to the mention of curiousity elsewhere in the thread - realizing there are many ways to look at anything, all 'right' to some definition of the word based on the person's background and context, can be quite liberating, a fight for being right becomes a journey to understand better how people work.
My 2c, not strong opinions :)
Especially in code, if there's a reason to pick one style over another and it seems preferable, I'll say that, but if someone does something else it's probably pretty negligible, and any sensible opinion should change over time anyway.
If someone on my team was very opinionated, I'd think of it as immature. In a non-professional context, I might argue for the fun but that's it. I like back and forth more than black and white.
If you're only here to enforce your opinion, then don't talk about the topic. This is why religion and politics are usually not welcome in most parts.
There was an opinionated conversation on anarchy philosophy a few weeks ago on front page HN. Most of the comments came from people who obviously did not open the link at all. Some from people who copied snippets out of context to attack.
This happens because they were not planning to have a conversation. They were not open to the idea that anarchy could be superior to democracy. It's fine to hold firm opinions, but pointless going into discussions with them.
I'm very opinionated in a lot of things that I don't give enough f*ks to really care about other people understanding. Removing them from their ignorance would be so titanic that I prefer to stay humble and go with the flow.
There is a line tho.
If "go with the flow" means to be a slave of peer pressure and corrupt yourself being a price for it, then that's a deal breaker and will require the conscience to reflect and reevaluate on life course and update decisions on things that might lead you to change who will be around you in the future.
The most powerful position is to be able to fire everybody if needed (specially employers) :D
Over time I’ve come to appreciate this more and more. The “loosely held” portion is important for allowing respectful differences of opinion and building a team together. But the “strong opinions” portion is equally important. You should be opinionated and understand why you hold those opinions and be able to defend them. But also learn to hear dissenting viewpoints and value them too.
I feel like open-mindedness is something you can practice. Strong and inflexible opinions are often the result of motivated reasoning, and motivated reasoning occurs when you feel that to believe certain things would harm your identity. But the thing is, it doesn't have to harm your identity unless you let it. You can feel strongly about social justice and equality, and still calmly read about e.g. minimum wage, all of the pros and cons and the results of empirical studies without, poof, instantly turning into a neoconservative.
The other thing to realize is that being very settled in your opinions also means that you're probably closing yourself off from other perspectives and new information – you already know everything there is to know, which is why you're so vocal about it. But again, there's really no need for any of this. You can eat meat but listen to a vegan explain their choices without feeling the need to defend your own opinion and without feeling that not to immediately make a counterargument would make you lose the argument and to admit to being a bad person. Who cares about winning arguments? Try to learn something new instead, even if only why other people think what they think.
When you think along those lines, over time you'll (hopefully) become less emotionally attached to your opinions, less tribal and less easily riled up whenever someone says something you disagree with.
> In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, there is one plain and simple principle; a principle which will probably be called a paradox. There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, 'I don't see the use of this; let us clear it away.' To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: 'If you don't see the use of it, I certainly won't let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it.'
Applying it more broadly, we have a tendency to reject things we don't understand. But isn't rejecting something you don't understand just plain ignorance?
So the next time someone has a opinion you disagree with, ask yourself why this person has the opinion. It is easy to say they are stupid and ignorant and that might be true but are you sure? Might there not be good reasons for their position?
If you show a willingness to understand the opposing side, people will be more open to you and your ideas and working together will go more smoothly. Your own opinions will not rest on ignorance but on well qualified arguments.
As other commenters have said, sometimes being less opinionated isn't good. There are some core principles that you maintain strongly.
But, if you really want to be less opinionated in a certain aspect, try to understand why would someone have a different opinion, in a compassionate way (that is, if your conclusion is "someone having X opinion must be ignorant/careless/evil" or something to that effect, you're doing it wrong). Usually, trying to put yourself in a mental situation where you'd have a different opinion will reveal arguments that you didn't consider before.
If it is not your area of expertise don’t have strong opinions as they’d likely be wrong.
This has interesting implications for politics.
To correct this, perform some analysis and see if it is not really a weakness.
Some probing questions:
- What do you "win" when you force others to understand X is right?
- Are you caught up in a relationship or para-relationship where someone else Y is actually winning because you are proselytizing X?
- If so, is this relationship a net benefit to you? Why are you supporting Y, is Y benefiting you directly? Are you dependent on Y? Do you want to be dependent on Y?
- Could Y possibly be using explicit or implicit consequences, fears, or money to manipulate you?
- "Warrior fallacy" - if you perceive yourself as "fighting" for a side, who really cares? Are you caught in social media outrage loops which is really a self-affirmation indulgence? How does your "battle" really affect important things like your paycheck or your mode/method of living up and above things you can do yourself?
- "Individualism fallacy" = "if only each individual does X then problem Y is fixed" when the real problem is an entity much more powerful than a single individual. Refusing to deal the true root cause always results in failure, but you may feel like you are "doing something." Don't be blind.
"This thing is X" + "some of X aligns with my personal values" -> "X is great, we should do X".
The trick is to untangle your personal values when they're not applicable. i.e. at work, it's a good idea to have a set of agreed team (and higher) tenets/values that you can apply instead of your own -- just don't join teams/orgs that fundamentally conflict with what your hold dear. This way, when there are inevitable disagreements, it's more about whether any particular idea is in alignment with the agreed values, rather than you perceiving them as a direct attack on your own.
Not a perfect solution, but if you don't have that foundational agreement on "what matters", every single decision has a much higher chance of becoming a personal conflict.
First, figure out if you're actually opinionated. For example, are you a democrat or a republican (it doesn't matter which). Can you name a couple of big positions you vocally disagree with your party on? If you can't name at least 1 big position you disagree with your "team" on, there's a good chance that you might not actually be opinionated.
There's a pretty straightforward exercise you can try - spend a day pretending to be a true believer in something you just fundamentally don't understand or find truly ridiculous (not going to give examples because I may offend!). Start with the assumption that if you were born into a different circumstance you could have actually been this person. Avoid using stereotyping "I believe in X because I'm an idiot". Try it with a few different outlooks, taking smaller steps at first. Read a few blogs, if available, chat with a stranger who believes and see what makes them tick. Regardless of what your edgelord teenage self may have thought, people aren't stupid, they have reasons for believing things. But start with the belief/opinion and work backwards to justify it. Work yourself up to directly oppose your own opinions that you've found others disagree with, and try to falsify them.
In all likelihood this exercise won't change your own opinions, but you'll have a better understanding of WHY they are correct, and why others might think differently, and you'll be better able to convince people of your point of view if you understand what others see as leaks in your opinion.
Over the years I've learned not to care too much about things I don't control, I don't know much about, or that I consider an individual choice. On the other hand, about the few things I consider myself an expert in, I care a lot. I have very strong opinions, and I don't hesitate to express them.
I've also found it very helpful to practice phrasing things as questions instead of strong statements -- keeps less egg on my face, in times when I just didn't know all the facts. I.e., instead of "that is a bad idea", say maybe "wouldn't that lead to problems [, like maybe x, y or maybe z?". Then people can reply to the question instead of feeling attacked and attacking back.
One of (the?) original statements of "strong opinions, weakly held" (https://www.saffo.com/02008/07/26/strong-opinions-weakly-hel...) was to tear apart your own thought process, not express it as fact then expect others to do that for you.
When forming an opinion spending time to think it through personally is a good practice. Be conscious that when expressing it though others may not be coming from a background where they may be comfortable to counter. Just because you speak more or louder than someone else don't let that reinforce your existing stance, or force that to diminish theirs.
Practice listening over hearing. Prioritize curiosity for its own sake.
In terms of 1:1 communication: If dialogue is a venn diagram, strongly opinionated people can sometimes look for opportunities of intersection and commonality to bring things back into their sphere of control. Communication can become territorial in that way, with opinions acting as a kind of currency that gets used to buy influence. Try to be aware of where you’re at, spatially, on this diagram. Try to be aware of what your intentions are in a given moment. If you lead with listening and curiosity, you’ll quickly find yourself spending a lot more time in the other person’s sphere.
This came after some contentious discussion with my product counterparts. (I'm a software engineer, but have thoughts on product design).
Discussions, sometimes even arguments, are a great way to explore the idea-space and try to find the best solution. However, once there is a decision, everyone needs to accept and internalize it.
Even when I disagree about what we conclude, if the consensus goes one way, I'll follow. I suppose if this happens enough, maybe it's time to find a new team that shares your views. (And note, I'm sure there are areas of security/privacy/etc. that maybe this shouldn't apply)
Reflect. Revisit opinions you or others had in the past now. Are they still true. In my experience most opinions from the past end up being misguided. On this reflection I’m more skeptical while listening.
Write. Writing is thinking. Don’t start a newsletter or blog. Buy a cheap notebook and pen and write daily. That’s how you develop opinions.
The only thing you really have to be aware of is having strong opinions strongly held without deep understanding or allowing your mind to be changed. Don't identify with your opinions--new information leads to new assessment and reformulated opinions.
"When my information changes, I change my mind. What do you do?" -- Keynes
- How do I know this?
- What is the basis on which I form my opinion?
- What facts that I can demonstrate independently are available to be presented?
- What are the counter-points to my position and what facts support them?
- What would disprove my position? (If it's not disprovable, then very likely it's pure opinion without a substantial backing)
- Are there any other feasible conclusions for the same item? Why do you consider them or why don't you consider them?
Basically you need to challenge your own biases. Why do you think the things you think? How did you reach that conclusion and is there evidence that leads to alternate conclusions?
Once you understand that there might be more answers or you have incomplete information, recognize it as such. You don't need to surrender your opinion entirely, but present it as opinion and explain how you got there. Acknowledge there are other possible interpretations, and explain why you find yours favorable. You should be able to do this for yourself, and when you're practiced at it, you can do the same with others. Suddenly, you're not highly opinionated, you're a lot more thoughtful and you approach items that require some interpretation/opinion with a lot more thoughtfulness and research.
It seems like a lot at first, but it's a skill that needs practice. I used to be very opinionated also without even realizing it (more I was arrogant, IMO, as I was used to being right). Then in University I lived with an incredibly scientific minded guy who was direct and questioning to a fault. It rubbed me the wrong way at first, but then I realized _I was the one who was forcing an opinion_, all he was doing was asking questions.
Very quickly, I became quite practiced at checking my biases and understanding and framed my statements and opinions a lot differently. I'm not afraid to have an opinion (I do so quite often), but it's far easier for me to bring someone up to speed on how I got there, and I'm much more receptive to alternative understandings I maybe didn't consider.
Sometimes, the line of reasoning is there but it's too small.
Other times, when I put it together and write it down is big enough to show that there is a lot of value in doing what I suggested.
So being objective pushes toward challenging your own ideas, if they are still ahead the "competition", there are usually really good reasons.
Know that any one of your strong opinions could be wrong. Know that equally smart people could disagree with you. Know that the world doesn't care very much whether you're right or wrong.
If you're asking this question because you're finding you have conflict with people over your strong opinions, the problem isn't that your opinions are strong. It's that you're letting them control you.
Step 2: Recognize that other similarly mistaken viewpoints exist. Everyone, everywhere, is wrong about everything to some degree.
Step 3: Recognize that functioning and advancing human civilization requires a bunch of mistaken (typically committed to remaining so) people directly and indirectly cooperating to varying degrees.
Step 4: Develop a sense of perspective. Almost everything that concerns you is wholly irrelevant on almost every other non-local scale.
Another thing is to realize that it is often much better for everyone if you can help other people come to the same realization(s) as you on their own rather than just persuading them to acquiesce. So when you have a disagreement, ask questions. Open ended ones, not leading ones, that address what you think are the problems with whatever they are proposing.
Convince yourself that you win, not when you are "right" and prove someone "wrong", but when you learn something new. Rewire your brain. Seek first to understand, only then to be understood. If you feel you need to "say something to that", instead "write an email to yourself instead saying what you want to say" (and then ask: does this need to be said? does it need to be said by me? does it need to be said now?). Cherish the viewpoints of others as interesting aspects of the world. Distinguish between the view and "the truth" (whatever that may be), by using language deliberately: "I get that you see it that way", "I understand that's how you feel about it". Always keep in mind there can be multiple valid perspectives, at the same time, about the same thing, and their differences do not make any "wrong".
Finally...try some "awareness" experiments on yourself: your question and my answer, reminded me about this "awareness exercise" where you go into a large public art gallery, and walk around for an hour, but never ever look at any works of art. You only look at the empty walls, the space between them. It's interesting. You could see it as a way to get some space between a "compulsion" (of looking) and "you" (being deliberate). I think you can apply a similar thing to opinions: walk into a space (online or not) where there are lots of strong opinions you disagree with and practice not responding. Don't engage. What is that experience like for you? Explore that and similar things...push to some extent against the bounds of what is discomfort and unfamiliar for you.
Thank you!!!!! :P :) xx ;p I think it's a noble quest what you're doing.
In most cases, strong opinions are only problematic if there is miscommunication around. You may have good reasons behind your opinion, but you need to make your case to the other people. They don't live in your head or share your knowledge. Explaining is the most difficult part: you have to put yourself in the shoes of the other person. What's their background, what do they know about the problem, where does their opinion come from,... It's essentially an endless list but the better you understand the other person, the better you will communicate. Never attack the person or be condescending, you are the teacher and they are the student.
... So, that was the case where you were right, but you will be wrong sometimes and you have to know. It's also a communication problem: you need to find the information you were missing when you made up your opinion. If someone comes to you and says "we have a new project coming, it's on an embedded chip and we'll do it in Python". You may want to reply that Python is slow and we should do it in Rust otherwise there's no point of even doing it on embedded. And you'd be right for certain cases, but this project was meant be as an introduction to robotic for children. Without all the info, you reach the wrong conclusion. Here, you have two choices to not be perceived as an asshat: seek the information/explanation first "oh Python on embedded, is there a particular reason (for not using Rust/C)?" or admit you were wrong right away "yeah, teaching children about ownership models seems like a stretch..." (if you're not in the mood for jokes: "ok, makes sense"). Do this and people won't blame you for having strong opinions.
If you are just holding strongly to your opinions without explanation, all the other person will hear is "I won't listen to you", "I don't want to change" and/or "I want to win". And I'm sure that's now how you want to appear.
Another poster talked about "Strong opinions, loosely held." and that's pretty much the summary of my rant.
I find myself sometimes realising that I am talking a lot about something and then I wonder how it must come across. e.g. "The only proper way to do this is with microservices, this other idea seems to be doomed to fail....I don't know, what do others think?"
Works wonders and helps you to realise something that you might not have thought about without sounding like a dickhead.
It's perfectly fine to have an opinion, but in my 10 years of startup/big tech experience is that those expressing these strong ideas and opinions don't tend to share the stage nor listen to others. Sometimes their ego gets in the way of always wanting to be "right" or "first". Getting rid of that is a whole different question itself.
- Are you willing to change your opinion given new information or convincing arguments? If not, you may have a trait that emphasizes rigidity. Searching around "rigid thinking" or "cognitive flexibility" terms might get you somewhere useful. Ultimately, it's something that CBT and DBT therapists focus on in therapy. They help you see opposite views of the same thing, and when you start to recognize that there are n valid perspectives on most situations. https://albertellis.org/2016/01/rigid-thinking-and-rational-... A purposeful therapy series (3-12 sessions) around some of your most conflicting issues can be an amazing investment.
- Are you expressing your opinions in times and places where others don't feel it's appropriate? This is a filter issue. Executive function, which can be impaired by disorder, distraction, and drink, is the part of your brain that help you control when you blurt things out. There are lots of different approaches to fixing different causes executive impairment, but the goal is the same for all cases: teach yourself to say less. Learning to listen is a big part of that, but active listening is expensive. If you feel like you NEED to say something but its not an appropriate time or setting to do so, try intentional breathing instead. It works really well in my experience when I remember to do it.
- Are your opinions wrong? Read more and listen more before you share.
- Are you hanging out with the right people? Probably not. If you're trying to make yourself less opinionated, you might be surrounded with people that just can't keep up with you. It's REALLY OKAY to express strong opinions about stuff with people who fundamentally accept and value you. And it's really great if someone else has a strong opinion, opposing opinion and you can debate the truth with them enthusiastically. There are people out there that are safe to be your self and share your whole self with, it's just a matter of finding them and building trust together.
Being less opinionated doesn’t sound all that great to me. Your opinion is the sum of your experience filtered by an idea. This distillation is the basis for your thought process.
Opinions seem to work in an almost bayesian sense: you have some opinion A and upon learning B you update your priors.
I’ve gone from basically shouting “you’re wrong” at people when I was younger to now I will listen to pretty much anyone’s seemingly wild opinion on anything. My curiosity has shifted towards learning why people believe certain things, seeing if they came to that conclusion rationally, and seeing if there’s anything I missed on the topic. You typically form new ideas even by hearing bad ones from other people. Seems to jog the creative part of your brain where we as humans are wired to be social and collaborate.
By understanding how other people think about things, it gives me a heat check on my own takes. It helps me form a clearer understanding of what motivates that person and where our irreconcilable differences lie.
Tl;dr have opinions on stuff, but most hills aren’t worth dying on. Listen to others and develop yourself and your thought process accordingly.
If that the case I’d suggest - Keep the opinions - but add in curiosity.
Don’t be less opinionated. Lowering your standards is like poisoning your own well.
The question should be “how to avoid sounding like an ass?” Opinions aren’t the problem, lack of awareness and sensitivity towards others maybe.
There are correct contexts and methods for everything, learning to recognize and adapt to these are imperative for social survival.
Having opinions however is a sign of a restless mind. An arrow of longing so to speak. What is crude and obnoxious while young may flourish into insightful passionate interests given time and reflection.
Then maybe think about whether you're curious about the answer. Do you want to know more?
I really should try and live this a bit more.
Does anyone care about my opinion?
Will my opinion have any impact on the situation?
What you need to learn is to smile nod and agree, when the situation calls it.
First, even if you have an opinion, regardless of how strong it is recognize most of the time you don't have to voice it or lead with it. Electing to not do so makes it easier to continue not doing so. To make progress on this, try not leading with your own opinion in a conversation, first ask about others' and linger on them. Occasionally be fine with "I don't know" even if you think otherwise. Play devil's advocate/contrarian with your own opinions when you can, see if you can make an almost convincing case for an alternative. See if you can find roots of disagreement that are ultimately stylistic in nature -- de gustibus non est disputandum -- and enjoy the diversity. Maybe there are tradeoffs you can elaborate. (Consider an analogy from table tennis on a grip style: https://gregsttpages.com/guide-to-table-tennis/beginners-gui... Could you write something similar for one of your opinions? Maybe you have an opinion about programming language typing?)
Second, "make your beliefs pay rent". If your beliefs don't actually make you predict how the future will unfold any differently depending on whether your belief is right or wrong, it's a waste of space, better to drop it. It's also a good idea to inspect your opinions to see what could maybe change your mind about them. Suppose you strongly feel X is true. Now imagine X were in fact false -- how could you tell? If you can't think of any way to tell, why do you believe X is true now? For any new X, see if you can think up little experiments or data gathering exercises (even polling some friends is data, weak as it may be) that could give you more information one way or another. If you can't, it's better to just remain ignorant about whether X is true or false, and be a friend to "I don't know, what can we do to find out more?" Maybe later on you get a little supportive data one way or another, but keep things fundamentally probabilistic and you'll be less tempted to express positions very strongly. It may help to think in terms of bits instead of raw probabilities, you can transform a probability to bits with log_2(p/(1-p)), note that ignorance (50%) is 0 bits, a single bit of evidence jumps you to 66% (or 33% the other way), but you need 3.17 bits to reach 90% and 6.6 bits to reach 99%. To be 99.9% sure something is true, you really need to have 10 bits of distinguishing evidence you can point to. Evidence from some e about proposition x in bits is log_2( P(e|x) / P(e|!x) ). Stop letting yourself hold or express an idea strongly if it doesn't reach a high enough threshold. When you do have a high threshold, be happy that you can justifiably hold such a position very strongly; your main concern is probably going to be political consequences for whether it's wise or unwise to talk about it, or talk about it outside certain contexts. (Many people are happy to hear strong authoritative-sounding things from an authority at church, related to church topics, but some other strong opinion from the same authority, even if justified, about something else and in another context, can raise hackles.)
Third, "When you don't create things, you become defined by your tastes rather than ability. Your tastes only narrow & exclude people. So create." --why the lucky stiff. Think about how many hours you poured into the last fruitless argument strongly advocating for something. What if you had put those hours into making something instead? (Or heck, even something like playing lots of video games is probably better for you than to always be arguing with people if all you're doing is feeling and causing negative feelings from it.) Related to 2, perhaps you can even make something that gives a direct demonstration why your opinion is likely to be correct, rather than just rehashing arguments. Don't expect to convince many people though, the main benefit is that making things is a better use of your time and may even surprise you if you discover in the process that something you thought was true wasn't the case, at least all the time.
Fourth, consciously gamify and try to have fun, especially about opinions that aren't paying their rent but you want to share anyway, or even taste differences like not liking mushrooms. Sort of similar to the 'strong opinions loosely held' mantra, it's just a commitment to treat many conversations where you share your opinions and even get a bit passionate as just bar-talk; as a means of having fun; playing a game. This is also a way to get out of sticky situations around 1 where you're basically being forced to generate an opinion about something you haven't really thought much about. Because conversation can be boring and tiresome if you are constantly qualifying yourself with the appropriate hedges and humble admissions and specific probability estimates and language, it can be more fun to just say a simplified and maybe even outrageous version of what you're thinking and go from there, especially if you're doing it off the cuff on request, but beware you may hurt some feelings if the other person doesn't really want a conversation about the thing but instead is just looking for support. For yourself, try not to get too upset when you seem to be losing on some argument, or that you're not changing any minds, and even if you call each other names don't let it get in the way of an actual friendship outside of the discussion. Lots of people in gaming say very unkind things about their opponents or their mothers, and in the actual game there's usually ebbs and flows of winning and losing or doing well and poorly, but for most people it's just not very serious and a way for them to have fun. If you can get your discussion partner into the same frame of mind, you can have wildly different opinions yet not let that get in the way of having a good time together. The proverbial political Thanksgiving conversation is an instance of this -- your family may have terrible political takes, and they may think the same about you, and you can even get heated and emotional during dinner, but the next day, the healthy attitude is that hey, you're still family, the argument was more of a game than something serious, you don't need to blacklist each other.
Prefer discussions over debates.