HACKER Q&A
📣 jpbadan

What are the use cases of WASM outside the browser?


What are the non obvious use cases of Wasm? Other than facilitate distribution and improve security, what do you think are the best potencial applications of wasm?


  👤 arduinomancer Accepted Answer ✓
Ideally I'd like to be able to write desktop apps with the syntax of C but the performance of electron

👤 boundchecked
Coupled with WebGPU it might become the cleanest cross-platform/language abstraction to GPU programming.

👤 mildbyte
The "running WASM on the server" use case is pretty fun and applies to whenever you want to execute untrusted user code and limit its capabilities / resources, e.g. for plugins. For example, we use it in Seafowl [1] for user-defined functions, so does ScyllaDB [2]. Cloudflare Workers [3] lets you deploy arbitrary WASM code at the edge and pay at high granularities just for the amount of time your function spends executing (e.g. 10ms is the limit for the free tier).

In addition, you can limit the amount of instructions [4] a certain subroutine is allowed to use up before halting.

Also, WASM subroutines can only call out to functions (including system calls) that you allow them to (they're sandboxed otherwise). By default, they can't open files / print to stdout, unless the module can import the relevant functions (which WASI [5] provides).

[1] https://www.splitgraph.com/docs/seafowl/guides/custom-udf-wa...

[2] https://www.scylladb.com/2022/04/14/wasmtime/

[3] https://blog.cloudflare.com/announcing-wasi-on-workers/

[4] https://docs.wasmtime.dev/api/wasmtime/trait.ResourceLimiter...

[5] https://wasi.dev/


👤 znpy
Maybe a runtime for application plugins?

You expose some apis in the wasm runtime and plug-in developers only have to target the wasm runtime.


👤 cercatrova
It's the rebirth of Java without the drawback of necessarily needing a runtime; write once in whatever (supported) language and run everywhere, if other platforms like OSes embrace the standard. The closest thing I've found is Flutter but that's only in Dart.

Another use case, imagine a single program mixing and matching many different languages because they all compile up WASM as a universal format. This already happens in the frontend web with so called microfrontends which basically let you write various components in React, Vue, Angular etc and it all compiles down to JS.


👤 ElevenLathe
I personally think that WASM images will eventually displace (or merge with?) OCI images in server-side use cases. It remains to be seen if this will happen by the current OCI-focused stuff (Kubernetes mainly) adding capability for WASM apps or the WASM ecosystem developing its own parallel tooling of the same type (somebody coming up with "Kubernetes for WASM"). I think the latter has the possibility of being much cleaner, but there is a lot of momentum behind the former.

👤 mikewarot
The use case is exactly the same as running code inside a Virtual Machine... to run untrusted (and untrustable) code, yet limit its side effects to a clearly defined extent.

It provides capability based security, something Windows, Linux, etc. all lack.


👤 mudrockbestgirl
I think a big use case is running kernels/UDFs directly inside databases or data infrastructure systems. For example, [0]. Imagine you need a custom function in postgres, but instead of implementing it in C and shipping a shared library, you would implement it in WASM.

[0] https://redpanda.com/blog/wasm-architecture


👤 solomatov
Multiplatform development, like compile once and run everywhere. Unfortunately, my understanding is that WASM is still lags behind native compilers in perf.

👤 Laaas
An OS built on top of WASM can provide modern features without the bloat of current CPUs, e.g. MMUs.

👤 duped
Application extensions/plugins

Edge computing/serverless

True polyglot environments (unlike Graal)

Really anywhere you want AOT/JIT compiled code running fast in a sandbox.


👤 redkoala
CosmWasm provides a smart contract execution layer for Cosmos application blockchains.