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📣 markus_zhang

Activity and reading to move through mid-life crisis?


Hi friends,

Any recommendation of activities and reading for someone who is apparently going through a mid-life crisis, aside from seeing a therapist and doing more exercises?

I have some vague idea of what I would like to achieve for the rest of my life (mostly intellectual stuffs such as studying General Relativity), but there is an invisible wall standing between them and what my mind is at the moment. I also think I should setup some other goals such as family (already have a baby son) but my mind is not particularly interested in that part. Maybe it will reveal itself when time passes.

I'm also interested in any experience of anyone who apparently had a mid-life crisis but managed to go through it more or less without too much damage to themselves and their families.

Thanks.


  👤 ROTMetro Accepted Answer ✓
Failed my family in midlife, lost them all, lost everything. Here are my thoughts.

Find gratitude. Find humility. Give up ego. Shut down that voice that says 'but I deserve....'. You live better than almost all of humanity ever has. The King of France had a guy with a bucket follow him around and he would crap into it in public. You live better than the King of France. Find a way to make that enough, more than enough, to be something to be grateful for. Appreciate the gift that is your life every day. Try to not have resentment.

Impact the world through raising your child a little better than your parents did, and try to instill them raising their children a little better than you. That has true meaning, not knowledge in your head that will be lost when you are dust.

Go to any local public flower gardens and enjoy the beauty. It is as mind blowing a gift from the Universe as the principles underlying physics. And you can share the beauty of nature with your family and young child with much less effort.

Accept that NOTHING will be enough. Not understanding deep theories, not a Porsche Speedster. Not the vacations with family. Not academic praise, or 1% level riches. Turn your focus from those things you are trying to fill a hole with, and figure out why the hole is there and it's cause. You wouldn't just start putting dirt in a sync hole without understanding the cause.

Find a place where hopefully you are loved, but at the very least find a place within you to understand that you, as a person, are very much worthy of being loved.

As someone who failed the midlife crisis thing, I always go back to moments with family for strength, never to moments of 'ah ha' about some great programming algorithm or when I was in class and learned of some great discovery. General Relativity exists whether you study it or not, but those moments between Markus and those in his family that CHOSE HIM as their family, and CHOOSE to keep him family every day, those are very, very finite, and those others are choosing to GIVE their finite moments to be with YOU.

If you can not give those around you what they need, don't be a coward and wait until you fail them. Leave them now, stop stealing their finite time and energy. If that is the case, choose to be a failure, but not a failure and a thief :(

If you chose not to leave, then understand YOU CHOOSE this situation. No resentments in your head, this is your choice. You can choose to leave, but not to resent. Physical bodies change. Children come before our wants. Choose it, or leave. Don't pretend, don't steal the days of other's lives, and lie through omission.

You are halfway done with the period of time in which you can give and receive hugs. Some stupid Reddit that made me cry pointed out, at some point, you will pick up your child for the last time, then set them down and not in the moment realize that you will never pick them up again :( Make every time you pick your child up count. It is a special, finite thing, along with every other moment you have as the consciousness known as markus_zhang on HN.


👤 justwannasay
Still going through it but it seems manageable now.

Exercise and meditation didn't work. Exercise almost daily anyways.

Here is my story:

1. Realizing that I m going through midlife crisis and it is a normal thing.

2. Giving into some minor temptations like smoking or drinking too much. Could have spiraled down but had some strict rules like doing it only socially and taking Uber.

3. Changing job, buying a new car, etc

4. Realizing none of above would help unless I go for what I really want, which while not clear but is along the lines of new career, adventures, less responsibility, sell home, move to smaller apartment, move abroad, be a student again.

5. Realizing even if I risk it all and do the above, I may still not be happy.

6. Accepting that my current responsibilities (family) is above me and provide for them.

7. Playing lotto and risky option trades in the hope of making enough to secure my family’s future. (Very small portion, not risking their family's future)

8. Waiting


👤 simple10
I've been going through it as well. There are a few things that helped me so far.

1) There's a biological component where happiness follows a U curve. Mid 40's tends to bottom out on happiness then steadily increases. Useful to know since riding it out is a viable strategy. [1]

2) This translation [2] of Marcus Aurelius's Meditations is powerful as a daily reminder that no matter the year or station in life, the struggles are universal. Focusing on what's in your control and "knowing thyself" goes a long way towards fighting overwhelm.

3) Modern hypnotherapy is worth studying and possibly doing a session or two with a skilled practitioner. It's basically a shortcut for hacking into your subconscious and un-sticking negative loops without needing to spend years in therapy talking about the past. It's gained popularity in high performance communities, CEOs, athletes, etc. But important to know the more modern version is different than hypnotherapy from 10+ years ago. It's also not stage hypnotherapy. Much more like lucid dreaming where you're still completely aware. I particularly like Marisa Peer's Rapid Transformational Therapy. Her books [3] are worth reading. I can connect you with RTT practitioners or coaches if you're interested. I've worked with a few.

[1] (random link, but useful article) https://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/scientists-just-discovered-mi...

[2] https://www.amazon.com/Meditations-New-Translation-Marcus-Au...

[3] https://www.amazon.com/Tell-Yourself-Better-Lie-Transformati...


👤 asdfqwertzxcv
I've found Arthur C. Brooks' wonderful series, 'How to Build a Life" touch on a lot of topics in this realm. Here's an article that's specific to a midlife crisis: https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/05/midlife-c...

👤 codpiece
I found listening to the audiobook version of Viktor Frankel's 'Man's search for meaning' was very helpful. Funnily enough, I have read the book but got more out of the audiobook.

I know you don't want to hear more fitness, but weightlifting made a huge impact on my outlook. Try 'Starting Strength'. Getting strong makes all the little aches and pains go away and you hit new, easily-measured goals.

Finally, visiting the deathbeds of family made me realize that the only thing you carry at the end of your life is the love that you've fostered. Seeing the world through that lens truly changed me.


👤 hahamrfunnyguy
In 2020, my wife of 12 years left me after returning home from a six-month work assignment. She let me know a few minutes after arriving home from the trip that she would like to split up. While things weren't going great with respect to our relationship, it was still quite a shock for me! I don't know if it's considered a mid-life crisis but it was a very difficult adjustment for me. I had to really think about what I was trying to get out of life.

Since then, I've started a new business based on a personal project I had been working on for a while. It is fulfilling work for me, and I believe the product is making a positive impact in people's lives. I am also scheduling time to activities and hobbies that I enjoy doing, and trying to get out in the community and volunteer.

In the summer, I have a weekly run with friends. In the winter I play in a volleyball league. I like having the scheduled activities to look forward to every week. It's a time to socialize, but also get some needed exercise too.


👤 RHSman2
Spend more time with that ‘baby son’ and put more curiosity into him than General Relativity because on that thing lies more answers than you can possibly imagine.

👤 rramadass
There has been lots of studies done on Mid-Life Crisis; assuming it is Real it seems to involve Genetic, Biological, Psychological and Social factors. So you have to consider each one in turn, interpret it in your specific context and then take action.

Here are some resources that you may find helpful:

1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midlife_crisis

2) https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-021-02206-x

3) https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/12/the-rea...

4) https://openthemagazine.com/science/the-genetic-origins-of-a...

5) https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/am-i-having-a-midlif...

6) There is a tradition of "mind training" in Tibetan Buddhism called Lojong (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojong) which you may want to study, learn from and put into practice. These are basically a set of practical advice/sayings/aphorisms/proverbs/etc. which teach you how to develop/modify your attitudes and perceptions towards life/other people/yourself in general. It was developed in the context of Buddhist practice but you can easily transfer the principles outside of it. A good starting point is the book Essential Mind Training: Tibetan Wisdom for Daily Life translated by Thupten Jinpa.


👤 ultrasounder
Went through this process exactly the same "mid-life crisis" couple of years ago. The books; The Flow-> Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi Psycho-Cybernetics -> Maxwell Maltz both helped me pull through it. In my own specific case, it was a combination of lackluster jobs and our own autistic son's growth issues. I fixed my lackluster jobs by challenging myself by setting a goal. A goal to break into FAANG. I know its not the kind of goal one aspires to achieve and wakes you up from the bed. My REAL goal is FIRE(though I am in early 40s) but getting into FAANG would help accelerate that. Both of those books helped me fundamentally "reprogram " myself and gave me focus and motivation to keep chugging. I wish you the very best.

👤 prometheus76
I grew up as a Mormon and became disillusioned with that as I got older and got exposed to Eastern religions. Over time, I also became disillusioned with Eastern religions because they are ultimately nihilistic.

I found Eastern Orthodoxy, which is the perfect marriage between Christianity and mysticism. My whole life has been healed as a result of becoming (and continuing to struggle to be) an Orthodox Christian.

My life was a mess and my family was almost beyond hope. I was quickly falling towards divorce and despair. I heard about Orthodox Christianity through a few different avenues around the same time and I thought "what else do I have to lose?" I have not regretted the decision to go to church.


👤 50
"The best thing for being sad," replied Merlin, beginning to puff and blow, "is to learn something. That’s the only thing that never fails. You may grow old and trembling in your anatomies, you may lie awake at night listening to the disorder of your veins, you may miss your only love, you may see the world about you devastated by evil lunatics, or know your honour trampled in the sewers of baser minds. There is only one thing for it then — to learn. Learn why the world wags and what wags it. That is the only thing which the mind can never exhaust, never alienate, never be tortured by, never fear or distrust, and never dream of regretting. Learning is the only thing for you. Look what a lot of things there are to learn." (White, The Once and Future King)

👤 sn0n
42 year old here... Definitely go down the "Alan watts" rabbit hole... He spit out books like he did public radio talks, and he was on the air for awhile in the 60s early 70s... Lots of him out there. He's definitely worth the midlife listen

👤 thenerdhead
Maybe check out John Vervaeke's Awakening from the Meaning Crisis videos on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54l8_ewcOlY&list=PLND1JCRq8V...

Perhaps you might relate to how he describes this disconnect. While I don't think I've gone through a life crisis yet, he has brought clarity to the feelings I had that might have resulted in one.


👤 uptownfunk
A great yogi once told me - "The secret to life is to know thyself - and to know thyself one must meditate"

A good meditation for me comes after at least 30 mins of solid yoga, and then sitting in padmasana (or something similar, siddhasana, whatever keeps your body locked and spine erect) and silence. Then just breathe slow and relaxed and listen to what comes from inside of you.


👤 joshxyz
Haha fuck, you all are giving me anxiety on me reaching 40.

👤 dasil003
I found a lot of value in The Middle Passage by James Hollis.

👤 nickdothutton
Stoic mode. Lift. Quality above quantity in all things.

👤 kevdozer1
Wishing you the best. Your son will be thankful for the progress you do make

👤 physicles
From Strength to Strength, by Arthur C Brooks. I heard about it from Sam Harris’s recent interview with Brooks. Focuses on the very practical nuts and bolts of growing old, what that means for you in all aspects, and how to capitalize on your new strengths while letting go of the old ways that won’t serve you anymore.

I plan to read it in a few years when I have my own mid-life crisis.


👤 Melatonic
Backpacking (in the wilderness - not across cities)

👤 agent008t
Read Seneca, Marcus Aurelius, Epictetus.