HACKER Q&A
📣 xrisk

Histories of Early Social Media


Hi HN,

I’m working on a history of social media platforms. I aim to trace out the evolution of the specific platform features that we take for granted today (groups, profiles, “interests”, etc).

Although there do exist a few histories of social media, they are shallow and don’t cover platform details in depth.

Do you know of any computing blogs/magazines/personal blogs or even historians/people who might have information that I’m looking for — specifically, details about the platforms themselves?

Thank you HN :)

EDIT: if there are any older internet users reading this, I would be really grateful if I could ask you a few questions about this! (email, Zoom, whatever works)


  👤 egypturnash Accepted Answer ✓
Livejournal got so many things right that modern platforms throw away.

* Posts could have multiple access levels: public, private, friends-only, and a custom friend group. This was somewhat annoyingly intertwined with the list of who you followed (your “friends”) but it was pretty powerful and easy to manage. Public and private spheres were seamlessly integrated in one account on one service instead of spread across multiple accounts with half-assed privacy measures.

* Long-ass posts and long-ass replies. Something like 64k was the limit. Replies were threaded. Complex conversations making subtle distinctions were easy to have.

* MULTIPLE USER ICONS. Everyone has dropped this and it was great. You could choose a particular icon for every post and comment, or let it be whichever you said was the default. Icon choice could mean a lot of things: it could apply an emotional layer, it could designate multiple characters in a role play account, symbolize projects, whatever. It was fluid and wonderful.

* Seamless e-mail integration. Replies to your posts/replies showed up in your email client. With a reply form right there in it, complete with user icon drop down and a “reply” button that would POST the form to the site. You could keep the conversation going without having to switch to the web browser. This was back before e-mail had become pretty much useless due to the volume of spam.

* Just the people you follow, in chronological order. Not notable at the time, this was what everyhing with any conception of a central agglomeration of everyone you wanted to watch did. There was no “algorithm” to optimize for user engagement time and ad views. That shit needs to die.

* oh and it did RSS too, you could follow any external site via a slightly kludgy method of creating a special account that mirrored an RSS feed, and that showed up in your friends page along with all the LJ accounts you followed

And then it got sold and went through multiple hands before ending up as a Russian site where being gay is illegal.

Nobody talks about it any more. Probably because its glory days coincided with GenX being young adults with the time to write lengthy essays about their lives (and to share dumb personality quizzes about their Hogwarts house). And GenX doesn’t exist any more, we’re all either Boomers or Millenials depending on which side of 1973 we were born on, and our own weird moments of cultural relevance are forgotten.


👤 whoibrar
Aahhh! This is something I am interested in as well.

I don't have a definite answer but a few vintage points and directions in which you can start your journey and find more stuff from there

- https://thehistoryoftheweb.com/

- https://textfiles.com/

If you are searching for Pre Main stream internet, you can start with BBS Documentary

- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7nj3G6Jpv2G6Gp6NvN1k...

If you are looking for collaborators on this project then, I'd love to join and make this a thing (:


👤 bloglord
I've been reading Exploding The Telephone (about phone hackers). The author makes a case for the conference call lines (like "2111") being one of (the first?) instances of a networked persistent social space. Groups of young people hanging out on these telephone company test lines... coming and going like it were a coffee house..

I've been trying to wrap my head around what it must have been like at the time.


👤 jwstarr
One resource to try is SIGCIS (https://www.sigcis.org/); it's a professional group of computing historians and a number of retired practitioners.

However, historians don't tend to care about specific technology features, so I suspect you may need to treat this more as a journalistic effort than a historical effort -- emphasis on interviews, press releases, user manuals to build up a timeline.

Definition-wise, PLATO is an interesting case and is a useful test of whatever definition you choose to use. PLATO was a multi-site, multi-user education platform, but featured messaging, chat, and multi-user games. You can access a running PLATO system (https://www.irata.online/) and there are a few books that detail the development and user experience.


👤 cheez0r
I started on BBSes, helped build one of the first local ISPs in Louisiana, was on IRC in 1994, lived through the rise and fall of Yahoo!, had a GeoCities page, was a MySpace early adopter, etc. Feel free to ask away.

👤 ArtWomb
Archive of Justin.tv life stream would be of most interest. Not just the broadcast content, but building the early infra ;)

Nettime archives dates back to Oct '96. Mostly net art, but plenty of discussions around "user generated content":

https://www.nettime.org/archives.php


👤 matt_s
You might want to qualify what you define as social media. Does this imply the potential for people to share content publicly/globally? That eliminates a lot of media like bulletin boards, chats, etc. that were invite only.

👤 Mezzie
Hey there! I've been online and in digital social spaces for 29 years, so I went ahead and sent you an email if you're still looking for information.

👤 jcpham2
AOL/CompuServe/Prodigy these walled gardens deserve to be included in the social history along with independent and international phreaker BBS's

👤 rurban
Afaik the earliest close to todays were in Japan and China.

👤 h2odragon
How far back do you want to go? Pre-Usenet? BBS networks? Post web?