HACKER Q&A
📣 nicbou

Do newsletters work? Why do websites push them so much?


So many blogs promote their newsletter, often before I even start reading their article. I run a content-based website, and many of my competitors push their newsletter.

What is the rationale behind it? I don't subscribe to a single newsletter myself, so I'm a bit puzzled about the benefits of running one.


  👤 michalu Accepted Answer ✓
My company sends a newsletter once a month. We're selling roasted coffee. This single day account for 20-30% of our monthly revenue. In fact email is our single best performing channel. Hope this info helps.

EDIT: I should also add that we're combining every newsletter with some "offer" e.g. we make a new blend or roast couple of bags of some coffee we don't typically stock. We're also keeping it very personal - it's literally just a plain text email (we've got this new thing on stock, here's what we've been up to and here's some new content on blog - have a great month.)


👤 mjoneill
> Do newsletters work?

Marketer here. Yes, they work very well...unless you're pumping out a crappy newsletter that nobody wants, doesn't provide value, etc.

Not all products are the same, and not all sales funnels are identical... but generally you want lower commitment asks that can help you build your audience of potential customers far out in advance of them being in a position to buy. In a B2B world, investing in high-value content that helps people do their jobs better regardless of whether or not they own YOUR software is a great way to build your audience so that your product is front and center when it is time to buy/consider.

For some products, the opportunity to replace an entrenched solution with your own may only come up once a decade. For others, it might be an annual or monthly ask. Content Marketing is the only thing worth a damn that builds trust and relationship so that you can better convert these opportunities when the time is right.


👤 meibo
Yes, they work and people do actually check their emails. Even if you have a 20-30% click rate, that's 30% of people that may read your headline, click through to your blog post, product announcement, etc.

If you're smart about your strategy (don't spam, think twice about when to send a mail, lead with interesting content, visually appealing), a mailing list can be a huge asset to any business. People tend to not want to follow companies on Twitter or Instagram, if they want to stay up to date, a lot of them might want news in their easily filterable inbox, in my experience.


👤 dr_kiszonka
Tangent: do web push notifications work?

A lot of websites ask if I want to be notified via a web push, which I personally find very annoying and have never tried it. But perhaps people (consumers/users and sellers/creators) find them useful?

Bonus question: are you subscribed to any web push notifications? Which ones and why do you like web push vs. a newsletter or RSS?


👤 mooreds
A number of reasons:

* Because other platforms own you, but you own your newsletter.

* Not everyone opens a newsletter, but everyone checks their email. So if they don't open the newsletter, at least they see something from you.

* It's near zero cost.

I don't like it when sites push their newsletter constantly, but I do like educational content pushed to where I often am (my inbox).


👤 franze
Channel Hedging

If you depend on SEO, SEA, Adsense you depend on Google.

If you depend on Facebook, Insta, you depend on Meta.

If you depend on Linkedin, you depend on Linkedin.

If you depend on Newsletters, you depend on Spamfilters.

Every channel has its risk. So hedging your traffic channels is the best thing you can do. And Newsletter is the least annoying one, as Google and Facebook maximize for ad-spendings. Spamfilters don't.


👤 jannw
My PhD was on crowdfunding in the Creative Industry - One of my published papers was on the effectiveness of online marketing channels (email newsletter v. facebook v twitter) ... Quick answer is that, for "fans", email newsletters are a far stronger marketing channel than facebook or twitter. You can read the paper here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S074756322...

👤 tedmcory77
There are three types of traffic: Paid, Earned, Owned.

Paid - PPC and the like

Earned - Press, News Coverage, etc. Basically, causing a way to get yourself in the news cycle

Owned - Email is the best example. You, for the most part, control this and it's the easiest way to control your future. By getting newsletters people begin to know, like, and trust you and become more likely to buy.


👤 mitchellst
Reading down the answers, lots of people are confusing two things: marketing emails (mostly from e-commerce sites) versus content-driven newsletters.

Open rate and CTR on marketing emails is very low and their production quality (cost) needs to be high to make a dent.

Newsletters are a different beast. If you have some product-market fit for the content, your open rate and CTR can be very high. Scaling them can be tricky, because if your content is niche you hit a ceiling, and if it’s not you hit the general problem of acquiring customers lots of other people are after.

…but, after you solve that, you have a scaled up newsletter that you can both sell ads against and use to activate your own monetization flows. Does it work? Yeah, it does. Very, very well, in my experience.


👤 livelace
Email is a great thing, I use it heavily. Why newsletters doens't work for me:

1. I don't want to give my email. 2. I don't want to receive spam. 3. I don't like long letters with massive amount of different news (even in single domain).

In my view newsletters/digests take more time to read and I prefer to receive small pieces of topics more often (what I'm interested in specifically, not whole the editor choice) than to recevie bunch of them on weekly basis.


👤 wgx
It's "push" instead of "pull" for content authors. A casual visitor my read one of your posts, then never visit your site again. If they sign up, you can send them monthly content.

I get it, but I do wish sites would give it a rest with the Newsletter pop-ups.


👤 mkl
I think it might be a filtering thing, like Nigerian scammers including things that make them look dodgy to make sure they've got someone particularly gullible on the hook. The people who end up subscribed to the newsletter are the easiest to get money from, sell junk to, con into buying cryptocurrency, scam, whatever.

👤 nonameiguess
I think it's trivial to see it "works" in the sense that it costs nothing and generates at least some positive revenue. The expected value of doing it from the producer end is greater than zero.

Does that mean you should do it? That's the more interesting question. Panhandling works. Spamming works. Direct mail campaigns, sending out mass texts to lists you buy from states that sell voter records all work. Standing on the street corner asking random passersby if they want to buy drugs works.

But you're ruining a commons. Mail, SMS, and email are nearly useless communication channels now because the signal to noise ratio is so low. They're major annoyances you spend more time deleting and curating than actually getting value from as a user. It's understandable that producers don't see it that way or don't care. From their perspective, they have some unique value proposition that is just so great for their users that they need to keep them informed. The problem is there are millions of other producers who feel exactly the same way, and the net downpour is so overwhelming on the consumer side that it doesn't matter. I don't care how high value these information streams are. There is a limit to what I can consume in a day, and I would rather select and curate myself, on a pull model, and some days consume nothing at all, rather than have it all pushed at me. If you haven't heard from me in a while as a customer? Guess what? That means I'm probably happy. I bought your product, I'm using it, and I'm satisfied with it. I don't need another. When I do, I'll come back, but that might be years in the future. Deal with it. I can't buy something from every vendor I've ever done any business with every week for the rest of my life.


👤 altdataseller
Yes, they absolutely do work. I regularly get 40-60% open rate on my newsletters. As long as you're not spamming them daily with useless messages. Email is the most engaged medium. With Twitter, FB or Instagram, you're lucky if even 1% of your followers read your message.

👤 rchaud
We push newsletters because nobody uses bookmarks or RSS anymore. You have to send users a reminder that there's new content on your website they should check out. But even then, you're competing against the pull of bottomless social media feeds, or mobile apps that ping you with notifications several times a day, like news apps.

In practice, bad newsletters read like auto-generated blog feeds: summary of content, click link to see whole article. Good newsletters put the bulk of the content right there in the email, but their business model is less about getting you to go the website, and more about shoving "sponsored content" into the body of the email itself.


👤 exodust
They work and don't work. Today I received this email from a camera store I purchased from previously. Subject: "we miss you" body: "We haven't seen you in a while! Need to kickstart your inspiration? Our expert staff can get you started. CHAT NOW."

No products, no specials, nothing else in email.

Funny how they're shouting at me to 'chat now' about my inspiration. For me this is newsletters not working. Another bad habit is the full page sign-up prompts seconds after visiting site. Like the cookie consent form pop-up wasn't enough, let's slap them again with newsletter prompt.


👤 mouzogu
I think it's a way to negotiate with potential advertisers/sponsors.

Look at my audience of 1000+ people/emails that are potentially interested in your product, which i can shill or plainly advertise on my newsletter for a fee.


👤 massysett
Yes. Email is a primary way I gather news. I get a bunch of daily emails from various news sources. Some are news organizations, while others are from government agencies or officials. I also get emails from vendors. I filter these into a "shopping" folder so that if I'm looking for a deal I can rummage through there.

I get a few random things that just make me happy, like a daily email from a guy who travels the world and sends one photo a day - he might make his money on guidebooks or itineraries or something.

I suppose some might use Facebook or Twitter for this but I use neither.


👤 GnarfGnarf
One of the difficulties encountered with newsletters and email promotion, is that your email sending service (MailChimp, Keap/Infusionsoft, SendGrid, etc.) rates you on your customers' Spam Complaint Rate. If you exceed 0.1% complaints, you can lose your account.

Recipients at some of the more naïve addresses (Yahoo, AOL, Hotmail, MSN) have a habit of clicking on the prominent "Spam" button (instead of the "Unsubscribe" link) when all they want to do is unsubscribe. You get tarred with the wrong brush. Very frustrating.


👤 lloydatkinson
Well, I have 7 subscribers of my newsletter. I don’t really push it I just have a signup form at the bottom of posts and occasionally in the middle of longer/popular posts.

I don’t really know if newsletters work.


👤 justinlloyd
Years ago, before email as we understand it today existed, I roasted and sold coffee and the newsletter drove close to 80% of the sales.

Years ago I built a small "adult entertainment" business that was driven by a newsletter. High open rate, high engagement, strong sales accounting for a significant percentage of sales through the month.

Years ago I built a piece of software that made stock buy/sell recommendations. It was driven purely by a newsletter. The daily recommendations email went out once per day, very early in the AM. Once a week was an email with a link both at the top and bottom of the newsletter that you had to click to stay subscribed, and that newsletter had a little lengthier content in it. The newsletter was by invite only. It had good engagement. I got tired of running the business (wasn't very interesting) and I sold it off, and the new owner drove it into the ground within six months due to greed, making the newsletter less exclusive, and changing how engagement works and trying to use it as a vehicle to push advertising and other bad practices.

Years ago I built a piece of software that analyzed horse racing, and again, it was all driven by newsletter, and that accounted for all the engagement, most of the sales, upsell/cross-sell and subscription renewals. I sold the business after a couple of years, and watched the new owner drive it into the ground due to greed and not understanding what the newsletter was for.

I've also built a few other small side-businesses over the years, using long form content, long form sales pages and newsletters as the primary sales channels. They work wonderfully. But what you absolutely have to do is realize the value is in the mailing list, and it must be respected, and you cannot AB test it or exploit it to extract maximum value.

I still use newsletters, of a sort, for a few side-projects, and again, they work really well. Very high engagement. Especially on LinkedIn.

Of all the newsletters I've had over the years for various endeavours I've had a very high open rate, a very high engagement rate, and an incredibly low unsubscribe rate. But you have to treat the person receiving your newsletter with the same respect you would treat a well regarded acquaintance standing right in front of you. And the moment you stop doing that, your numbers will plummet.


👤 rozenmd
I ran a newsletter for https://maxrozen.com in the lead up to releasing a book on React's useEffect hook, for about a year.

It was no extra work, since I was writing articles anyway, so this gave me another channel to let folks know a new article was out.

When I eventually released the book, email subscribers were 5x as likely to buy the book than people coming in via Google search.

Effectively, it's about building an audience to sell to, and it works.


👤 alexanderson
The proof is in the pudding. https://bytes.dev has almost 100,000 subscribers, a 48% open rate, and can pull $6,000 per weekly issue in sponsorship revenue. Why? Because 50,000 eyeballs is worth that much.

Source: https://bytes.dev/advertise


👤 scottydelta
I am sure they work because Substack's whole business model relies on it. More importantly, a lot of bloggers/writers have been moving to substack because of this very reason.

Substack lets your readers easily subscribe to your paid/free newsletter and deliver new publications to their email which is expensive to run/maintain on your own(think of wordpress blog + mailchimp costs).


👤 awillen
I run an ecommerce dog treat company, and I typically send out about one email a week. I try to keep those to 50% or less emails that offer discounts, and I try to make the discounts product-specific, so people don't just get used to getting a 20% off coupon twice a month.

For the non-discount emails, I'll just send something about the company or the products. If I was on a morning show talking about the company, I'll send out the video. If I don't have anything else out, I just remind people of the fact that it's very hot, and we sell frozen dog treat mix.

Each email goes out to about 3500 people and generates 3-15 sales. Discount emails do better than non-discount, but some non-discount (like good press coverage) do very well. New product launches and sales for major holidays when people are looking to shop (e.g. Memorial Day, BFCM) do over 15 sales.

I've tested doing it less often, and ultimately doing one email a week barely affects unsubscribes and easily generates enough extra revenue to be worth it.


👤 Taylor_OD
God. I know newsletters work and I've been told to start one a dozen times for a personal project but i just HATE getting them. Not all newsletters but the ones that are clearly just another push notification market channel that dont add any additional value. Those seem to be the bulk of newsletters.

The ones that are actually interesting take a lot more time and effort to make.


👤 godmode2019
Yes they do work,

Its the only way to actually own your audience. Rather than asking permission to access someone else's audience.

For example, I get emails from some people for the last 10 years. I would have forgotten about them many times over.

Having a Facebook page with a lot of likes use to mean you could get on their feed, now you are lucky to get any views without paying for them.


👤 shortformblog
Newsletter author here. I run two actually—Tedium (https://tedium.co/) and MidRange (https://midrange.tedium.co).

Yes, they work. Beyond the ROI benefits already mentioned by other folks, it’s seen as an “owned” platform, something that you control, versus social media, where the platform is operated by someone else. You can make changes and adapt more efficiently to subscriber needs than somewhere like social media, where platforms are reshaping things that can affect your ROI without your input.

For that reason alone, I can understand why newsletters matter to a lot of media outlets and e-commerce folks alike.


👤 asicsp
They do work to some extent (which is greater than zero). I have a newsletter to share links related to Python, Linux, Regular Expressions, Vim, etc. 38 issues later, I have close to 500 subscribers (I don't do pop-ups, but thanks for the reminder - I should at least add them in the footer of my blog posts, been promoting mostly to my readers on Gumroad/Twitter).

Based on Gumroad stats, open rates are above 40%. I send 10-15 links per week, and the total link clicks average around 150 (not sure if adblockers affect such stats). I try to optimize links to share based on interest shown in topics so far.

And as others have commented, one of the reasons to start a newsletter is to have your own platform for sharing content.


👤 didgetmaster
I think it really depends on the content. I have a software product that manages all kinds of data. To raise awareness, I also have a newsletter that I send out a couple times a month. In the newsletter, I try to educate people about data issues and how computers process data. I try to make it interesting to people who might never even try out my software (https://didgets.substack.com/). While the purpose of the newsletter is to get people interested in looking at my product, I try not to push it too much. I don't enjoy newsletters that are nothing more than a sales pitch.

👤 rubenbe
For a small sports club: yes.

We announce events there, so it has added value for the end user.

Main reason to do so: social media platforms (read: instagram and certainly facebook) burry your posts if you don't pay up for "promotion".


👤 codeptualize
It's a "push". If I go to your website because I see an interesting article on Hacker news or Twitter I'm unlikely to return for newer articles, even if I'm interested I will simply forget. However if you get my email you can push content to me.

If you have enough people in your newsletter you can increase your traffic and keep it more consistent, more traffic is more ad revenue. You could even get your newsletter sponsored and make it a source of revenue.

I have not worked on newsletters specifically but I can attest that sending emails is generally very effective.


👤 r1ch
It's also a way to get an email address that you can retarget ads to.

👤 escapedmoose
I don’t use social media, so I subscribe to newsletters to follow sources I like. They’re easy to manage, easy to unsubscribe, and feel more personal than the mass blast of competing socials. If you don’t have a newsletter, you fall off my radar completely.

Obnoxious newsletter notifications as soon as one enters a website are extremely grating though. If I care enough to want a newsletter from you, I’ll find it myself.


👤 baby
I don't believe they "work", but IMO as a company you want as many way to push information to your customers. Today it's principally emails or notifications. And so this is why you see newsletters form and every apps under the sky seems to ask to enable push notifications on your phone.

Another way is RSS feeds, but many companies seem to consider that there's not enough users for the trouble.


👤 avip3d
I believe it offers a way for companies to hook a customer in once, then get their attention for free for months (via weekly/monthly emails).

👤 zevulous
I run a newsletter (https://thisiscool.beehiiv.com/) about cool longform articles I find online, and it genuinely is nice to have a direct line to many of the people that follow and like my content (@zevulous on tiktok), especially if social media sites go down or delete my account for some reason.

👤 cheschire
I read newsletters fairly regularly and I go search for them too sometimes.

While I appreciate using RSS to get a taste of the spectrum of current events, newsletters tend to be more curated, sometimes carrying a theme, and have the feeling of quality.

I used to flip through the weekly ads in newspapers but oh boy there was nothing quite like getting a company’s sales catalog. The feeling is similar for me.


👤 nickdothutton
Web notifications are like the new search-engine windows toolbar spam. Probably some companies use these notifications responsibly, but half way through day 1 I turned them off and have been blocking them ever since. If I visited your news site once to read 1 article which may or may not have disappointed me, I’m not turning notifications on.

👤 NikolaNovak
FWIW, as a consumer:

98% of "newsletters" are awful spam and make me think more negatively about company.

2% of newsletters are ephemeral gold, and they come from various categories - I have great newsletters both from companies wanting to sell me stuff, as well as interesting bloggers & writers.

So if nothing else, there's definitely opportunity for differentiation. You can be better than the competition :). As a consumer, I'd say format (web page or app or newsletter) is less relevant - it's all about content and relevance, as well as timing and approach.

My 100 Croatian Lipa :)


👤 taubek
They work if they provide value. Creating a good newsletter takes time. Especially if you have a regular schedule. If you send it on first Monday every month than it should be so. You need to prepare text, graphics, craft out subject line that will make recipient click on it, etc.

👤 throw0101a
> What is the rationale behind it?

Grab an audience that does not know about RSS/Atom news aggregators?


👤 mobilene
I have a blog in which I publish six days a week, plus a newsletter I publish once a month. Some people prefer (and subscribe to) one over the other for various reasons. A multichannel strategy just lets me reach more people who are interested in what I'm doing.

👤 bwb
Newsletters are something you own and control. Google, FB, Twitter, and all those things are outside your control. It is so important as it is the only thing that can't really be taken away by the big guys.

👤 meetingthrower
Same question? Anybody know advertising RPM that newsletters could generate?

👤 jasode
>So many blogs promote their newsletter, [...] What is the rationale behind it?

A website (and also RSS) -- that is not hard paywalled with account login -- is a "pull" by anonymous webbrowser clients. The website's content creator doesn't have a direct relationship with readers because you'd only have web browser IP addresses or aggregate statistics with Google Analytics, etc.

In contrast, newsletters can be "push" by content creators because you have collected email addresses that want the newsletters and therefore have a more direct relationship with readers. Building the audience via email addresses is valuable because it works outside centralized platforms like Youtube, Patreon, etc.

My previous comment dissecting example of Tim Ferris website-vs-newsletter : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27716442


👤 timothycosta
I enjoy getting certain news letters. The key is to provide uncommon, valuable, well written information.

Take julian dot com for instance. I like his work so much so, that I am using it as an example here.


👤 jeffreyrogers
I like newsletters for rarely updated blogs. I prefer RSS/Atom (most blogs still have it actually) but sometimes a newsletter is the only thing that's available.

👤 saos
Newsletters work because email will never ever die. Email is the one constant that will exist forever. So if you can reach a persons inbox you can reach their attention

👤 jimbost
It's also not just about the newsletter; it also unlocks abandoned cart/checkout emails, low inventory for recently viewed, back in stock emails, etc.

👤 Kenneth39
At first glance, it seems to be some kind of outdated practice. But, as noted above, there are often discounts or other useful stuff.

👤 bilekas
I've signed up for a few pre-launch subscriptions as I know I woulnd't remember to check back and have found that extremely useful.

👤 letmeoknmmm
Newsletters are getting a revival because people don't have a news reader and sites stopped pushing RSS.

Basically the only unintermediated contact.


👤 sharemywin
Even if you use it to let people know about new articles. I don't see why it wouldn't be a win.

👤 jklinger410
Email is a high converter and email addresses are practically a type of currency.

👤 kosik
on this note, what is the best tool I can use to start building my own subscribers database and sending email campaings? I've heard many opinions suggesting mailerlite, any thoughts?

👤 haolez
I've learned to love newsletters after becoming a hey.com customer. Highly recommend the service. The newsletters become a sort of feed that's actually quite interesting to read.

👤 0xbadc0de5
I've never signed up for a newsletter and never will. It's not so much the newsletter awareness push that irks me but the incessant pop-ups and pop-overs that must be dismissed each and every time I visit a site. It's almost paywall-level intrusive. I really miss the RSS days - if you wanted to receive regular updates, it was opt-in and didn't feel like being accosted by a panhandler.