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📣 canthrowaway

Should I leave my socio-sentimental local minimum?


Hi HN, obviously posting from a throwaway account. In the recent past, I struggled with depression, due to burnout at work + loneliness. I started getting better with therapy, but I hit another low when once I started recovering, tried to date people, and failed catastrophically at attracting women.

After a couple of relapses, today I can say that I feel way better than before. I have a decent work-life balance, I don't get stressed, I don't have anxiety, I don't have social anxiety, I do exercise, I basically don't care much about stuff. I'm really stable mentally, which to me is a big accomplishment, and have been consistently feeling like this for some months.

I'm usually alone (live alone and work on my own stuff, basically), but from time to time I meet 1 person for lunch (e.g., a colleague from work). I do this, say, once a week or so.

So, now I feel like I have a decent quality of life and good mental stability, a big accomplishment, but at the same time, it's true that I'm suppressing my instinct of trying to date people. I'm purposely avoiding any dating situation, because I know that with very, very high probability, the answer is going to be no, and this might affect my beloved mental stability. While it's tempting to think: "it's a numbers game, it shouldn't affect you, you should try it", in one of the depression relapses I mentioned, what happened was precisely that I got lots of rejections in a row; enough rejections so that I don't take rejections personally anymore; a single rejection doesn't affect me, but what does affect me is having virtually always the same result: a rejection.

So, HNers who have been a similar situation, what would you do? Would you stick to my local minimum, or would you try to leave it by going back to the dating game? If so, any strategies for getting another relapse?


  👤 minhmeoke Accepted Answer ✓
One idea is to repeatedly expose yourself to rejection and turn it into a game, to the point where you become desensitized to it: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/01/16/3772390...

Assuming that you live in a Western society, people who tend to ask for things (even at the risk of getting rejected) tend to do better in life. Not only that, but repeatedly engaging in social interactions will boost your self-confidence which is super attractive to women (the other controllable facet being working out).

Also, watch this motivational talk:

John Acuff: The Surprising Solution to Overthinking (~1 hour video) https://mastersofcreativity.stanford.edu/archive/jon-acuff

The main point of it is creating more productive soundtracks (repetitive thoughts or habits) for your life:

1. Retire broken soundtracks

2. Replace them with new soundtracks

3. Repeat new ones until they become automatic

Criteria for determining which soundtracks are worth keeping:

1. Is it true?

2. Is it helpful?

3. Is it kind?

Good luck!


👤 conductr
I think the common form of dating just isn't for everyone. The kind where you're constantly meeting new people and getting rejected (as a straight guy anyway).

There's another way that's more organic. But you need to find a social group. One that has some women involved. Preferably based around something you actually enjoy. The idea is you build a friend group based on this topic of shared interest. Then you have friends that are girls, that perhaps will lead to meeting a girlfriend. That's about all I can offer because the exact how-to is a bit difficult, depends on what "thing" you choose, and ultimately will involve taking some risk.


👤 syndacks
Hey, I appreciate you asking this question. I identify with some of this minus the rejection by women (I’m married) — but if I replace it with something else, I think my advice to myself would be: what’s worse, staying at the local minimum in perpetuity, or risking a regression that you’ve already proven capable of overcoming? That’s a lose, lose there; of course there’s the third scenario where you meet someone and fall in love together.