HACKER Q&A
📣 ethanwillis

What has to change? I'm sick of it


4 days ago(a Saturday!), I received a completely cold email from a Chewy.com recruiter telling me "we're seeking passionate and driven engineers to join..."

As far as I know I've never expressed any interest or given them any of my information outside of being a customer for several years. However, they continued in their email asking me to provide them with lots of information about myself without actually telling me a single actionable piece of information about any role.

Regardless, I replied (on a Sunday!), telling them (paraphrased) "I did find it strange as to why they were reaching out to me specifically. But even so, I do like Chewy from my experiences with them as a company. So I would definitely entertain the idea." I gave them some basic information about myself(YoE, Education, Tech focus) and asked the following questions (with some personal information removed)

  - What are the pay ranges on your senior positions?
  - Is remote a possibility? 
  - What does your overall interview process look like? 
Days later, no response. What's the rationale with doing this? Especially when you're cold-emailing candidates whose information you got from.. where? I already have a bad taste in my mouth from what the norm is for modern hiring practices. But, this simply goes above and beyond what could be construed as an opinion. This absolutely should not be tolerated. Why would a company be so shortsighted as to actively sabotage their image by behaving this way?

And unfortunately, Chewy is not the only company behaving this way. They were just my breaking point from seeing this happen multiple times.


  👤 jstx1 Accepted Answer ✓
Dude, you wrote back to a spam email and you're telling us that you're at your breaking point because they haven't responded to you within 2 working days.

You need to adjust your expectations.


👤 michaelchisari
I've started writing recruiters back with this question:

If there was one book I could read to understand this company's business model and future, what would it be?

I'm very careful about what company I join after a string of bad experiences (or even good experiences that failed). I don't just care about engineering, I want to understand the product and business I'd be working on/for on a deeper and broader level.

So I'm not asking this to be pedantic or anything. I love to read, so anything a recruiter responds with I would 100% take the time to read.

So far, nobody has ever written me back.

I haven't yet formed a theory on what that means, but I can't help but find it disappointing nonetheless. I'm literally asking the teacher for more homework.


👤 rossdavidh
1) you're right, that's not great behavior

2) the profession of recruiter is very different from developer, it has a different kind of personality type, with different norms for social interaction; some are great, some are mediocre, gushing with enthusiasm when they think you're going to help them get a bonus, dropping all communication the moment that's not true. A recruiter with mediocre professionalism is doubtless just as common as a developer with mediocre coding skills.

3) most likely, they sent you the email, then got a person for that position, and didn't follow up to let you know that the position was filled. Not right, but no upside for you to let it get you angry, which hurts no one but you.

4) many companies are having hiring freezes, often with little notice; as uncomfortable as this is for us as developers, it is probably worse for recruiters, in terms of their own job prospects. It is possible (I have no inside knowledge here) that the recruiter that sent you the email has been laid off in the meantime...


👤 engmgrmgr
If it was a person, you shouldn’t have responded on a Sunday before a holiday. You’re at the bottom of their inbox now. Also, try to hold the questions for a live chat if you’re interested in the company.

It sounds like you really want to learn about roles at Chewy, why not just send another email or directly contact a recruiter on LinkedIn?


👤 wincy
I’ve gotten probably 30 emails from Amazon recruiters in the last six months. Always different people and different teams. At one point they did this tricky thing where “the director of Machine Learning” messaged me on LinkedIn but it was a recruiter using her account or something strange. I have no idea why but they absolutely won’t stop bothering me. I seriously doubt I could get through their technical process without a lot of practice.

👤 908B64B197
There's 3 types/market for recruiters and they almost never overlap. The first are "body shop style" recruiters. It's basically a numbers game where they try to cold-call as much people with githubs/linkedin or blogs that reference programming. They don't know programming (not even what's the difference between languages or front-end/back-end) and are looking for a list of buzzwords. They'll send copy-pasted messages (you can tell because it references tech you never used or never even claimed to have used). If you respond (and really you shouldn't) you won't be able to get any relevant information about the position because... they don't have it. These recruiters are often contracted by external firms in "best value countries" and are given canned response to message you. That's probably what the author encountered.

Second type are professional recruiters. Their salary is by commissions will often be a percentage of your salary. They are knowledgeable about programming and tech (often former engineers who wanted a break from coding!). They typically are looking to match specific profiles to specific jobs at client companies. This goes all the way to recruiters specialized in C-Suite executives (and you can picture the commission finding a CEO will bring in). Their messages will be personalized and you shouldn't hesitate to reply back even if you aren't looking for a job. They know that most great software engineers are almost never openly looking for a job so their goal is to be on good terms with a large number of talented developers so that the minute they start looking for a job they can match them with positions. You'll know when you encounter one.

Third type is basically referrals. A players attract A players, smart companies know it. Make sure your referral bonus is a percentage of total comp. It's probably the most effective way of recruiting (it has an insane signal to noise ratio). But you only get access to that type of network by... bringing value and being part of it in the first place!

You somehow ended up on the former's spam list. Sorry.


👤 night-rider
Whenever I see people giving out about recruiters (mismatched spam or otherwise) I spare a thought for those without a job. If I was jobless I would welcome all these offerings without being overly cynical.

👤 joegahona
I got a similar email. I deleted it, then deleted it from my "deleted" folder. I can sniff out when an email came from a human vs. one that's boilerplate, and I'm almost always right about it and get a response when I do respond. Some still slip through though. If you're genuinely curious, find the person on Linkedin (if they're not a bot), and email them there. You didn't share the whole email, but the one line you did share sounded dubious.

👤 manuelabeledo
This happened to me with Google.

Apparently, 10+ years ago, I showed some interest in some Google product aimed at developers. It's been so long, I cannot even recall which one.

For the past 5-6 years, I've been receiving emails from Google recruiters. When I finally asked one where did they get my address, he said that I was labeled in their "database" as a software engineer, and that "database" is shared across the whole organisation.


👤 maerF0x0
Someone needs to make a candidate focused job board.

One that allows you to specify all the search parameters the candidate cares about, and severely punish bad faith actors.

I get dozens of recruiting emails per week, and they seem unable to comprehend why I'd want to stay at a company that pays me 2x their Total Comp... (Also my current company has a hard time comprehending why I'd consider leaving for a 50% raise btw).


👤 ethanwillis
There's a deaded comment I can't vouch for asking an important question: "Is it chewy or some spam recruiter?"

It's Chewy themselves, using an email address from their domain.


👤 d9000
They are probably bots powered by AI. Many recruiters use them.

👤 fswd
I had to look up Chewy it's a modern day version of the 2000 era Pets.com, which was a hillarious disaster with silly superbowl commercials.

👤 Minor49er
I got the same message from Chewy. I wrote it off as recruiter spam, just like most of the messages I get on LinkedIn

👤 groffee
Spam email and last Sunday was a holiday in most parts of the world, that's why no response.

👤 t0mmyb0y
Is it chewy or some spam recruiter?