Being part of a community that was solving problems, "improving the world," gave me hope and purpose.
Then, because of my own hope & purpose, I felt like I was able to contribute to hope & purpose in other people.
But things are changing.
Myself, I've lost hope. My hope that 'things will get better' is lost.
I used to believe that startups were meant to solve painful problems. But the most painful problems in the world aren't even discussed here.
And I believe we can all agree, regardless of political affiliation, that the fabric of society is itself 'at risk' of collapse.
So now, I most frequently come here for a distraction. To drown out the noise of reality with some overly complicated technical write-up, or some arm-chair theoretical physics, or plead with smart people to look deeper.
Today I'm here, hoping, to find a little hope.
Why are you here?
But more seriously, it's just a higher bar of contribution than other forums on the internet with more interesting articles and points of view.
> Being part of a community that was solving problems, "improving the world," gave me hope and purpose.
This attitude in tech is honestly exhausting. It reminds me of that fake Tech Crunch Disrupt scene in the first season of Silicon Valley. The sooner you kind of give up on this and have fun with the problems you have the easier it is to enjoy your work, imho.
Many people on here have similar life experiences and interests to me so it’s nice to be around those folks without the vanity of normal social media.
Re: your loss of hope, I completely disagree. Quality of life has never been better and there are many incredibly smart people trying to solve very hard problems to make it even better. There is and always has been suffering. And there is and always have been people trying to fix it.
I also disagree that the social fabric is at risk of collapse. I only see things on the internet that makes it look like the world is falling apart. But my reality, and my community’s reality doesn’t even get close to matching that.
I wish the news celebrated the good more often, but the business model rewards attention, and I guess people give more attention to the bad than the good. But just look back over your own lifetime and note the progress.
[0] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/life-expectancy?tab=chart...
Not all painful problems have technical or market based solutions. I'd wager most don't. Those problems are outside the realm of startups.
> Myself, I've lost hope. My hope that 'things will get better' is lost.
Are you so sure things are actually getting worse? I'm not particularly convinced. I'd agree we have some major problems - decay in our institutions and a growing lack of trust, in particular. I think the perception that everything is crumbling is mostly driven by more powerful/pervasive means of injecting vitriolic narratives into society rather than actual crumbling. Just the same, I wouldn't choose to live in any other time. Would you?
Things HN has done for me:
* Gotten me a job
* Helped me expand my technical skills
* Helped me promote my books and side projects
* Entertained me
* Kept me up to date on tech and science news
* Allowed me to "give back" when I have useful advice
* Helped me realize I never want to found a startup
Also want to give a shout-out to HN's moderation team, who do a great job of keeping trolls at bay and encouraging constructive conversation.
People (and the mods like dang play a huge part here too) here generally believe _deeply_ in problem solving, looking as objectively as possible at whatever the topic is, and just learning more. There's a genuine curiosity here that resonates with me. I'm a deeply curious person and really find dramatics as a distraction from actually learning about topics.
I've also found that for just about any topic, there's always someone here that knows about it deeply to have an opinion (not just regurgitating an armchair opinion they read in another article, but what seems to be one borne out of some knowledge or experience) and is willing to talk about it in detail without dumbing things down, and there's a debate that ensues.
For all those reasons, HN is the site I frequent the most and is the most enriching.
btw, I can't think of a worse place to look for hope than the Internet. If you're looking for hope then talk to your friends and family IRL and realize how much they love you and understand that level of love is actually not uncommon in society. The Internet has none.
Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'
Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.
No, we don't all agree. The most we can probably all agree on is that we're in for some unique and turbulent times. Because this is true of almost every generation, in one way or another.
Consider the possibility that your entire worldview may be highly skewed by an extremely unhealthy information diet. Like someone eating cheeseburgers for every meal, feeling terrible all the time, and then assuming everyone else must feel terrible too.
I would prescribe a new information diet rich in biography/history books to maintain mental regularity and perspective.
If you mean political division within the US. There is a hyper polarization occurring where the far ends of both main parties are taking the reigns.
As someone that is opposed at a fundamental level to most state power, I'm OK with this development. You see more and more federalism occurring because of inaction or intractable disagreements with the federal government, from immigrant sanctuary and drug sanctuary on the left, to firearm sanctuary on the right.
There is a wide scale sorting process occurring where the red states will become more red, and the blue states will become more blue. If in that process, the federal government is neutered and people are able to choose governance with their feet, I view that as a net benefit to humanity.
There are arguments about what this means long term for security in the rest of the world, but I am less concerned with European and Pacific affairs than with our own. Additionally, I can't name a positive benefit to the US policy of foreign intervention over the past 20 years, whereas the negatives have an extremely long list.
> "improving the world", "solve painful problems"
This is sales pitch. 99% of the times it actually means "we want to appear as cool (and 'benevolent') as possible while we bill you monthly". It's just a facade. All they care is the might buck, and everything else is debatable.
It’s not. We live in a unique time in history (living memory at least) where all parts of society, hidden and unhidden, are interacting in real time globally. We’ve never had this before!
What we as kids and our parents/grandparents as adults mistook for idyllic society where we all get along and life is great and nobody has problems, was in reality a thin veneer draped over a seedy underbelly of raw mess. People pretended to fit in. A lot.
Ask anyone from an underrepresented or even repressed group how great that society was. Bet they’ll say it wasn’t.
Society isn’t collapsing. It is revealing itself. This is the real humanity. The way it’s always been. Varied and messy.
As for why I’m here – same reason I’ve always been online. Because likeminded people who get a kick out of similar things as myself are few and far between in real life. Online, there’s plenty. HN in particular has a good mix of high signal discussion on interesting topics.
When I find out how things work in reality, or how people think things work, it makes the problems I face have a clearer course of action, or helps me reach a clearer resolution on how to handle them. Even with a hope lost on what is possible or that my purpose was misguided, that much is always there for me.
> I used to believe that startups were meant to solve painful problems
and then I'd respond
> If you ask me, startups are about outsorcing research and development out of larger, risk-avese organisations, so that they may fail outside but get bought up if they don't. The fact that a few manage to survive on their own is not the intention.
And I'd say this in full knowledge that ycombinator is about startups, and the site exists to attract interest to these startups inbetween other content.
So all in all I'd rather not be here.
one of the things I think makes HN unique is that we can discuss things without "having to agree that the fabric of society is at risk of collapse." Whether it is or isn't, the teardown of a T1 router is cool.
I often feel the need to comment in ways that i hope remind others that not everybody agrees with their opinions. You can call it trolling, I hope to add information or at least amusement.
But mostly I enjoy the acquisition of new bits of (probably not immediately useful, but new to me) technical knowledge from others who share the same joy.
> And I believe we can all agree, regardless of political affiliation, that the fabric of society is itself 'at risk' of collapse.
I disagree. I'm fairly optimistic. Yes there are problems. But there's plenty of good things happening as well. Perhaps it depends what you're looking for?
I actually don't come here for the tech contributions primarily (even though I enjoy tech). The most interesting contributions are when non-tech contributions make it to the top.
You're the 3rd post I see here about depressing matters. The other ones:
I would agree we are in an era of forced change, where a small cadre of people using the logic of a few simple ideas have literally conspired to impose their will on the rest of us via our systems of reconciliation (laws, etc) that are built on language. I often think about how my morals obligate me to respond, and what I keep going back to is that the opposite or negation of fear is faith, where if I feel fear, it is the necessary effect of lacking faith, and where one has faith, they cannot have fear. Big fuzzy thoughts certainly, but much simpler when you think about faith not as a rational conclusion, but as an axiom on which all your perception is founded. As life, we are meant to thrive, and for the good of all other life to thrive as well.
What attracted me to the hacker ethos when I was a kid was that what we believe and think doesn't make us good, it's what we in fact physically do and make in the world that matters, so I post here to give words and form to thoughts.
Regarding the percieved problems and suffering of "the world," they're mostly an artifact of narrative. Terrible things happen, but I think suffering itself is also a choice. Worrying is a substitute activity, politics is what we engage in when we have chosen to inferiorize ourselves to what we percieve to be power, or autonomy, usually after eschewing truth. Talking about it as anything other than fancy sportsball is a neurotic vice of conflict addiction. They do it because they love it, it's just for the intensity.
Maybe your question was unintentionally ontological, but it's funny to think that perhaps the answer, "to thrive," is as appropriate as any?
Technology is a tool that can be used for good or evil. In our case, we're on the timeline where instead of the singularity being used to uplift man, it's called the Algorithm, and used to commodify our dissent. Except here... an oasis from that.
There are powerful ideas still left to be implemented which can address the major technical issues, as well as the biggest issue facing mankind, the need to convey complex concepts without losing context.
We'll have all sorts of upsetting news fed to us by that evil AI, but know that it's not as dire as all that, for the most part. Focus on the things you can control, and celebrate the wins when they happen.
No? It certainly is being undermined and sky is falling perception is certainly fueled by old and social media, but if you talk to an average person on the street, you won't hear them actually preparing for a collapse ( and you rest assured that if anyone actually thought a collapse is coming, they would be preparing so that at least they are not caught unprepared ). They might not tell the truth, but that is another story.
"Why are you here?"
Probably best place online for talking with people I don't know and people who are likely smarter than me. It is not without flaws and its own biases, but compared to most communities out there, its not even really comparable. Also, it is a bad habit now.
So as you watch people here solve problems and build new things, don't forget that to take your inspiration from that and build some new things in your own life and community.
I like the culture of this website. I don’t really come here to solve big world problems. I mostly come to learn new things and see new perspectives.
In a world of instagram, tik tok, and Reddit, this place is a godsend. I’ve tried to quit all social media and spend my time on more productive websites and places. I found myself checking and commenting on HN more.
I feel like even the worst comments here are just way better than a place like reddit. I’ve found a couple other small sites i like to visit as well.
Yes there's real problems in the world, but focus on you, your family, and friends and neighbors. If you want to do something "more" than that, then go and live somewhere else in the world where people are really hurting and could use some help.
The rest of this tech stuff is just a job to earn money for the above, it's not your purpose.
I do think that things are getting better, only it doesn't happen where we're looking at, but elsewhere.
And I believe we can all agree, regardless of political affiliation, that the fabric of society is itself 'at risk' of collapse.
I believe we've been confusing consensus with propaganda (from every side) for decades. I don't think that's sustainable, except in periods of strong growth, when consquences can be covered.
Crisis are times to understand.
I've also learned to be humble. To first try to fix my life, before thinking about fixing the world.
I'm here to observe, not to judge.
We can? Maybe I'm on the wrong site...
I transitioned to fin tech (web development specifically) almost two decades ago and early on one of my biggest struggles was keeping up with the state of the industry. I was checking dozens of portals and wasn’t even certain that I wasn’t missing anything because sometimes they would update the documentation without updating the version number!
Anyway one day I was at a Ruby meet up and joined a discussion where a senior was mentoring a group of juniors and he advised they all read HN daily to keep up to date on what technologies to pick. I checked it out, it served that need any my need, so I never looked back.
All these years later I still start my day off every morning with a perusal of the first few pages looking for Ruby/React/Python(in the context of vis like matplotlib) articles and then consider myself up to date enough (unlikely any major development I’m unaware of). And of course I come back multiple times per day looking for life style discussions simply because I feel the level of discourse here is generally much better than similar topics when discussed on Reddit.
To be honest, usually there’s something interesting going on on this site, and I’m bored a lot. Even if the “interesting” is something bad.
Certain topics do generate good discussion, and in retro tech threads there’s always some good war stories. HN seems to be particularly good at curating a lot of good material related to systems programming particularly, and I have dozens of very high quality articles on various subjects saved.
For the most part, HN is still relatively politics free. Those spaces are few and far between nowadays.
Unfortunately, that's changing. It has a lot to do with the fact that so many people here have livelihoods that depend on the "Silicon Valley" ecosystem, and that system is showing cracks in the facade. You can see it in the shifting of the public perception of Tech; the hoi polloi are sick of it, and politicians are scared of it.
HN is the only outlet aggregator with a modicum of value, there's nothing else on the internet that comes close, everything else is just so blah.
Maybe the time is ripe for a startup to curate/aggregate content of value, or maybe it's just a sign of the status quo: nobody cares about anything of any depth.
The markets will decide, for now TikTok reigns supreme.
I usually have the comments link hidden, because most of the time it's very biased in the direction opposite to my own, so that just causes my blood pressure to rise.
Lately it's not particularly interesting. A small cohort of blogs gets featured every week with fairly mundane posts.
Lots of mainstream publications pushing narratives.
This used to be a site that had interesting and niche content, now it's just bland corpo circlejerk 98% of the time...
2. Get a sense of what people in technology are thinking about technology and society (though no doubt quite skewed).
3. It's my only connection or source of insight into the Imperium, living as I do in a European province. Admittedly it is not much, but I can't do twitter, facebook, reddit or American news: it's too too bad.
I typically think of Mongols sacking Rome as society collapsing. All I see going on now is some people not agreeing on public policy, not Mongols on the horizon.
As for why I am here, mostly to kill time waiting for meetings, drinking coffee and to see how the other half live.
On the dark side, HN has made me more arrogant when it comes to IT discussions. I'm trying to quit HN, though.
I interview a lot of engineers and one of my questions is: "how do you keep up to date with technology?"
I want to hear about the forums they visit (ie, HN!), youtube channels, peers, heck even magazines, radio or TV. Unfortunately most of them don't have an answer for this. One day, maybe I'll find another HN'er...
The reality is I'm here because I like startups, startup tech, building new (cool) things, and trying to make a difference.
Folks here are smart as hell, so HN has always been a way for me to be a little fish in an ocean. Keeps me humble and I learn a lot.
Then I assess the latest flavor of the month across the stack and try to avoid using it at all costs.
2) To check what is being cloned the most as a product - but it's pretty much the same the last ten years - slick minimalistic SaaS UI that pulls some data. But sometimes, I see some glimpses of brilliance.
3) To read the occasional interesting discussions on some more political topics.
4) Someone has already gone through the trouble of finding cool links, and I follow them.
Comment on the hard problems:
The majority of HARD! World Changing if solved problems are not gonna be solved by showing a grid in React ... :)
Reading a bunch of interesting stuff is great to soothe your anxiety, and most articles don’t get you hooked like a great book does, so I’m not (so much) at risk of reading really late into the night.
I come here to read all these posts complaining about having too many distractions.
The tech stuff is cool too, I guess.
I literally cannot think of the last time software has changed and made my life better. And there are endless examples of it making the world worse.
All the issues caused by beloved industry giant AirBnB breaking regulations and ruining local neighborhoods. Software being the thing that caused the worst plane crash in years. Endless privacy violations from essentially every company. I've had to deal with Google's support recently and that was AI hell.
Even products I consider good are only getting worse. I still have a decades old Photoshop because you could actually buy it back then and the new features really arent worth it.
Software seems to be just a very efficient tool for the shareholders of the world to "capture value" and to find new and innovative ways to make our lives worse and more expensive.
These days I mostly read out of habit and because there's always something happening (unlike the discords/forums im in which are nicer but less poppin') and really compared to other places its still nice
But the right-wing anti-woke crowd and the optimistic "tech will save the world" types are hard to stomach for me.
I've been dreaming of quitting the industry altogether, though there are a lot of benefits for staying. Maybe find one of the incredibly rare places that actually have a vision for the world (non-profit?). Even where I work at an accessibility company that ostensibly is making the world better it really feels more like spinning wheels and corporate power plays more than any real desire to do anything good. Because honestly, if the customer went for a competitors product that would be fine?
Anyways sorry for the rambling. Things seem bleak and hopeless and regardless of whether things will ultimately get better (maybe? im not convinced) they will certainly get worse for the foreseeable future. I don't want to be part of the group making it worse and tech companies pretty much are. Yada yada captialism
Certainly worse things to do than read hackernews tho :p
Also because it's like reddit but with older people.
I think I've summed my HN usage pretty nicely here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29673736
Where else should we go? It is not like there is another forum like what you describe.
That's really it.
I always check the comments section every time to see if someone says "what a waste of time" or "tldr;" before clicking though :)
Bit of a problem because this shouldn't be so slow.
>I've been following HN for the past decade. It was an inspiration to see so many people working to make things better.
In terms of why HN? Nowhere better to be. I wouldn't recommend anyone be on platforms like Facebook, reddit, or twitter. You're going to make lists you dont want to be on. The world war has started.
>Being part of a community that was solving problems, "improving the world," gave me hope and purpose.
I want to believe!
>I used to believe that startups were meant to solve painful problems. But the most painful problems in the world aren't even discussed here.
Not allowed to discuss those on HN, you'll get rapidly flagged and downvoted. You'd be banned near instantly on those other platforms if you discuss those. In fact it's worse. You won't know you're banned, they hide the fact you were banned in order to deflate the issues. Yet they still exist as issues and the longer they go unaddressed the bigger the problems become.
I haven't actually seen this happen before where 1 political side is working so hard to control this so much and it's only going to be at their own detriment.
>And I believe we can all agree, regardless of political affiliation, that the fabric of society is itself 'at risk' of collapse.
Hard to disagree with this. Which market hasn't crashed in relation? Stock? Crypto? Money? etc?
>Today I'm here, hoping, to find a little hope.
This has been coming for 30 years. It will result in a new religion and boy this new religion is rather large. Puts other recent new religions like scientology to shame.
Flipside, we also have a few other societal inflection points which have to be addressed. Even better is that these are not going to be popular at all.
Here's the hope. Over the next 50 years the world will be a completely different place. There's going to be a ton of pain along the way but we will reach a fundamental life value which is fantastic.
Less BS in the comments, less BS in the posts, etc.
Honestly, feels like what reddit _should_ feel like or at least used to feel like. When I engage with ppl on HN I don't feel like I'll get a bad faith reply.
I'm here to learn new things that the technical community is doing. I'm also here to share what I'm up to as I hack my dumb ideas together.
I feel there are more reasons to optimistic, and this is due to technology. Here is the thought experiment to contend with: Could Nazi Germany emerge today, or does the speed of information create a barrier to wide spread building of momentum? It's worth thinking about.
The unfortunate aspect is that the noise in the system is exhausting, and I think it's better to just focus on living a good life and not get swept up into any movement.
Why are there so many lost/doomer threads recently. People starting to realise delivering meaningless "value" to shareholders while turning the Earth in to an uninhabitable scorched, polluted, plastic covered wasteland was not such a good idea? Need someone to say its okay sweetie, its not your fault, you definitely couldn't have seen thaaat one coming. A guilty conscience?
I don't agree at all. Perhaps you might need to spend less time reading news and social media? The real people in my real life all get along, even the MAGA and socialist people.
Anyway, I'm here because this is the closest thing to "You are the average of your closest five [highly-technical] friends." I don't really know a lot of high-tier, highly-technical people in meatspace.
Re startups: They aren't here to solve painful problems, they are here to make the shareholders and especially the founders/early investors gobs of money. When central banks failed to consider the risk pricing nature of interest rates and pushed them to near zero because inflation was happening in the third world rather than in the first, it became easier to make those guys money through deceit rather than coming up with a good idea and implementing it to solve a problem and so that's what we've had going on.
Re fabric of society: It's not at risk of collapse, it's just undergoing radical change because the identity marxists have pulled a Martin Luther and are out in full force shouting their grievances. We are in a time of digesting complaint and deciding what tiny part of it is true and needs to be addressed and what part is just the rantings of radicals holding to a poor mental model of the world with religious zeal. It will sort itself out one way or the other and things will eventually be fine.
Ofc you now think "the fabric of society is at risk of collapse" since the disappointement you felt when you realized the world barely even spoke english, let alone asked for your help, crushed you into depression.
I dont like when boomer say we're basically vociferating snowflakes but serious you talk only in hyperbole centered around you enormous power over the entire planet. Read yourself, focus on things you can act upon.
There are very nice people who can help you with difficult-to-find information. As in : "I remember this very obscure game in the 90s who came in some shareware magazine bla bla bla" 20 min later "That must be super-Ultroon the Mechanic Dinosaur, I played it a lot..."