HACKER Q&A
📣 Vladimof

How long should Police wait to get in school with active shooter present


Looks like they waited more then 35 minutes in the case of this Texas shooting and were actively preventing parents from getting in.


  👤 giantg2 Accepted Answer ✓
Depends on the policy of the school and responding department.

Schools should have active shooter plans. Those plans (and others) are typically reviewed/filed with the local agencies.

Some agencies prefer to set up a perimeter and wait for backup (sort of the older train of thought). Some call for immediate action, but would still defer to officer's judgement on whether they need backup. Many don't have a policy, or the policy isn't immediately known by many of the officers.

Depending on the perspective and precise details, there's no way of determining the exact answer, especially on here.


👤 t-3
None. It should be their job to go in and stop it.

Unfortunately, legally they are they just the cleanup crew, and are under no obligation to put themselves at risk to protect people in danger. Their job is just to arrest people who have committed crimes, not to stop or prevent crimes.


👤 908B64B197
None.

Immediate response saves lives. [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson_College_shooting


👤 AnimalMuppet
It makes some sense to prevent parents from getting in. I'd expect some parents to be armed, and armed parents roaming around looking for the shooter and finding other armed parents is not a healthy situation.

But if I'm a police officer outside the school, and I don't go in now, and a bunch of kids get killed, I'm going to have to live with myself for the rest of my life, knowing that I was there and didn't go in.


👤 WheelsAtLarge
Since the columbine shooting the standard has been to go in and engage and neutralize the shooter without waiting for backups. After the report that was done after columbine found that waiting backups led to many more deaths that could had been prevented had the shooters been immediately killed.

The theory sounds good in the planning stage but dealing with someone with an automatic weapon is likely to be a death sentence to whom ever engages the shooter.

Yes, you're right. The problem is bigger than just having access to weapons. But being able to easily buy weapons of war in an urban environment makes the situation worse.

That reason alone is why a limit on who can buy those weapons must be put in place. It can't be all weapons but there needs to be a limit on mass murder weapons. It will not necessarily stop the shootings but it will help police and such bring the situation to a stop and limit the deaths.



👤 elmerfud
35 minutes may seem like a long time when looking at this in hindsight but in an active situation that is not very long at all. It may be easy to say now that we know things after the fact the police should have stormed in and taking some action immediately. The problem is they didn't know that at the time.

When call to an active situation police have several responsibilities one of them is securing the scene to make sure that no one can leave unaccounted for. They also attempt to protect those who are not already in harm's way. They need to prevent others from interfering with the situation, such as parents attempting to enter the building themselves. Then finally they must assess the best way to deal with active hostilities without recklessly risking themselves or others.

I'm confident that there will be much examination of what was done and what the police procedures were and if those procedures need to be modified based upon things learned here. The thing is those are not quick knee-jerk lessons. It's very difficult to take a dispassionate and logical view of a situation that has caused the death of others. It's even harder if someone was directly affected by this to take a dispassionate and logical view.

Ultimately that is what's needed in order to ensure that proper actions are taken next time and proper preventative measures can be put in place. So if you ask how long should they wait to intervene in an active shooter situation my answer would be as long as necessary but no longer. That time frame is highly situationally dependent.

Because if we take a hypothetical rush in immediately situation. Not only could the police be rushing into the building parents may be rushing in as well attempting to save their children. Confusion could easily ensue police could accidentally shoot parents, the active shooter may be able to abandon his weapons and blend in with the crowd of parents and escape the situation. All kinds of other scenarios that end with even worse outcomes could happen and there are very few scenarios, outside of movies, where they rush in and they get the active shooter and everybody's happy.