HACKER Q&A
📣 alchemister

Reasoning for Animal Rights


Is there a sound argument in favor of (inhuman) animal humanitarianism? I understand that excessive hunting and habitat encroachment is detrimental to the global ecosystem, but what about actions taken in a semi-controlled environment, like slaughterhouses and labs?

From what I've seen, parties who object to animal cruelty/mishandling don't cite an ounce of logical proof behind their stance. It's as though they believe that their sentiment stems directly from common sense and as such does not necessitate a formal explanation. I understand that this is often a defining characteristic of interest groups, but it seems unusual for one with such great traction in modern western society.

Nearly all of these activism organizations rely on shock and gore media to garner support, taken to extremes by the more popularized instances (e.g. PeTA). At the end of the day, their sole plea is to eliminate suffering inflicted upon animals...for no other reason than because it is within humanity's capability to do so. I've scoured through a dozen sites in the past half-hour, and this generally holds true to each one.

The only legitimate thesis I could find essentially claims that animal abusers are liable to harm humans due to moral desensitization, which actually makes a fair amount of sense, until you realize that "abuser" might simply be referring to the common pet-owner or whatnot. Do you guys know any others?


  👤 logicalmonster Accepted Answer ✓
I think starting at proving why human rights exist is the more valuable logical path as there’s some contention that inalienable human rights exist and it doesn’t seem reasonable that animals have rights and humans don’t. I’d suggest that once you have a reasonable proof for human rights (imo the best one is argumentation-ethics) then you can see whether there’s an objective argument for rights that applies to animals.

👤 jmalicki
"Animal Liberation" by Peter Singer, a Princeton bioethics professor, is probably the leading academic treatment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Liberation_(book)


👤 ss108
Are you missing the fundamental fact that animals are sentient creatures with feelings, etc? Do you only refrain from harming other humans because of the potential social and legal consequences attendant thereto? Otherwise, I'm not sure what the "logical" reason for not harming them are either.

TBH, your post comes across as rather a bit...robotic, to put it generously.

In any event, I have a paper being forthcoming in the Columbia Journal of Environmental Law in a couple weeks on animal rights under Jewish and Islamic Law as compared to American law. Too bad it's not published yet, or I could plug myself here lol


👤 qb
You probably would agree that reducing suffering inflicted upon humans is generally speaking a good and ethical thing to do, right?

To understand why many people think the same re. animals, perhaps trying a different starting point might help: why single out humans? There's fairly good arguments (https://www.animal-ethics.org/the-idea-that-only-humans-are-... and the linked papers are a good resource) to be made that many other species have a similar capability to have positive and negative experience (sentience) which are not just citing 'common sense' or similar weasel-words, instead actually looking into the neuroscience of pain and other suffering.


👤 h2odragon
Happy animals gain weight faster and taste better. If you're raising them for meat pure efficiency is a good argument for decent treatment. If you have many critters then the health of all of them could be risked by lack of care for a sick one.

The "human dignity is damaged by mistreating animals" argument isn't a bad one, as you note: people who cannot empathize with animals are more likely to fail at empathizing with other humans.


👤 tmnvix
It's enough for me to know animals suffer.

👤 qiskit
There is no logic or reason to animal rights. Lets say animals have rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. What do we do when a mama bear kills a deer to feed her cubs? Arrest the mama bear for murder? What do we do when an ant colony takes over and wipes out a termite colony? Execute them for genocide? What do we when someone kills a mosquito? If we examine a bowl of salad a vegan is eating and find thousands of microscopic animal parts in it. Do we execute the vegan for crimes against fauna?

Like all agenda driven by emotion and virtue signaling, you can reject with a cursory look at the matter. Does that mean we should allow unnecessary cruel behavior towards animals? No. We should be the best stewards of animals, plants, etc on earth we can be.