HACKER Q&A
📣 mouzogu

Is Hybrid Working a Ruse?


We've been asked to return to the office for two days a week "mandatory".

I'm convinced that this is just the first part of a plan to eventually have people working 5 days in office again.

The reason I am convinced is because there is no clear value proposition to even being in office two days "mandatory", which tells me that it is not really a gesture of flexibility but rather of temporary appeasement.

What do you think?


  👤 wokwokwok Accepted Answer ✓
An across the board, “2 days mandatory” is a brute force HR policy to appease management; a genuine intention to continue to support remote working indefinitely would be phrased differently, like:

Converting the office into a collaboration space for people who need a reliable internet connection and/or a less disruptive environment (ie. than a noisy family) to get work done in.

0 days mandatory in the office; days in the office by collaborative decision amongst teams.

It’s quite obvious if you’re in camp A or camp B.

If you don’t like it, just leave. Plenty of remote jobs open; the good thing about a remote first company is that they collaborate in person as required; not because it’s required by HR.


👤 dougmwne
I think a significant number of people get into leadership roles because they enjoy having power over others. The ultimate power is control over the bodies of others. Why settle for slack chats and zoom calls when you could have your employees sitting all around you at your beck and call? We individual contributors may not think about this much, but the absolute thrill of being above others in the hierarchy only reaches its fullness when the employees get out of the damn pajamas and into the open offices. Please pick me up a coffee while you are at it.

👤 thrrck
We have something similar, the 2 days are not mandatory though, it would just be appreciated if people could make it to the office (this is just our team, other teams handle it differently). The two days were chosen as a team and we tried to accommodate everyones needs like childcare duties or and so on. We use the office days for collaborative tasks such as architecture reviews, peer debugging, idea brainstorming, drinking beer. And the days at home for actual implementation work, i.e. producing code. It has only been a couple of weeks and so far I believe it works quite well, we also said we will review if this is how we want to continue working in a couple of months. So it could be the same for you, but if you as an employee cannot shape it in any way and only have to follow rules, I would be a bit suspicious.

👤 valbaca
It's absolutely a "boil the frog" situation.

I already see it on my own team. First, there were "no expectations" to come into the office. Then, it would be "really nice" if everyone tried to come in on Wednesdays "but only if you want to!" Then it became "highly encouraged" for everyone to come in for the three-year brainstorming. Now we're encouraged to come in to meet the other team. And now we're being asked how many days we would be comfortable to come back. It'll be one day, then 2 days, then 4, and finally fully back in the office before you know it.

Despite EVERY metric showing that people are as-productive (and often more productive!) working from home, they just cannot stand the idea of not being able to enforce dress codes, and mandatory morning stand-ups, and being able to interrupt us and have us listen to the damn dog barking down the hall while someone's cell phone is going off because they forgot it and oh how do you get this conference phone to work I've only worked here for four years and make $500k can a techie person do this for me. I really really don't care about what you did over the weekend and don't want to hear about your kids when I'm just trying to get coffee or go to the bathroom.

fuck I hate the office and I know we're going to be 100% back before the end of the year.

And if anyone says "just leave" how about you try finding a Remote Job that is ACTUALLY Remote. Because I've not found a truly remote job. The "Remote" in posting is pure bait-and-switch.


👤 gwbas1c
I think there are some well-known horror stories of "hybrid" companies that some companies are trying to avoid.

(Disclaimer: I have to telecommute, I've been doing it since 2014. Because of where I live, I can only go in about 2-3 times a month.)

For example: I worked for Intel in 2005-2007. It was hybrid by necessity: They had offices all over the world, and were so large that it was impractical for everyone to be on one campus; and even if everyone was on one campus, travel among buildings was somewhat time consuming. Thus, many meetings were conducted via teleconference, and no one cared if you were in the office. (I would always take early morning calls at home and leave after the call.)

While I was there, it became obvious that people were abusing the liberal telecommuting policy. My boss went on vacation for one week, and then "telecommuted" the second week. I quickly realized he had an agreement with his higher up to get a 2nd week of vacation as long as he checked email and kept up appearances.

A few months later Intel cut out most telecommuting. The rumors that came back to me was that a lot of people were just goofing off; and even running 2nd businesses, like liquor stores, while on company time.

There's also the story of Yahoo. This is well documented, so I'll leave it up to someone else to dig up links, but the general belief is that many Yahoo telecommuters were just keeping up appearances and not really working. The company cracked down because it was going broke paying people to do nothing.

So, I don't think it's a "ruse." I think it's a case of a company doing what it thinks is in its best interests. If it's in your best interests to be 100% remote, or 90% remote, ect, have a frank discussion with your boss, and if they can't accommodate you, find a new job.


👤 jpcfl
> no clear value proposition to even being in office two days

There's plenty of value in in-person work. Body language is an important part of how we communicate. Spurious social interactions in the office are often the inspiration of important company initiatives. Async communication (e.g., Slack) is, IMHO, much less efficient than sync communication (e.g., tap on my colleagues shoulder).

My company has also implemented a hybrid pilot program: 3 in/2 out, with 4 weeks of discretionary remote work. I believe the idea is that there is value in remote work, and there is value in office work. Let's see if we can benefit from both.


👤 SheinhardtWigCo
Former head of HR at Google thinks so:

“The purpose of the ‘boil the frog method’ [is] to do it subtly and thereby avoid difficult questions and conflict”

https://fortune.com/2022/04/04/former-google-hr-chief-laszlo...


👤 gilbetron
Depends on the company and their situation. My wife works for a university, and they are always struggling with office space for people and parking for people, hybrid work is a blessing for the university, as it greatly alleviates a lot of problems the university were struggling with. The company I work for has all kinds of beautiful, recently renovated and leased space in a giant city - they really want people back in the office (but true remote people have grown significantly as well, so I'm not that worried about it, being fully remote). General Motors is permanently letting a lot of people stay remote/hybrid, because they realized a great cost saving, and people are happier and work more because they don't have 2+ hours worth of commute each day.

It will be interesting to see how the competitive advantages work themselves out. We'll see if in-person communication is as important as legend has it.


👤 alchemyromcom
I honestly think there are a lot of people that need some level of human interaction to function properly, and those are likely the people pushing for hybrid or back to office. Keep in mind, also, that not everyone's work from home situation is ideal. If you are already an established professional, and you have more than one room to create an office, then work from home is a dream come true. If you are a new hire, or student intern, sharing an apartment (even a crappy one) and your single bedroom is now your office, then work from home can feel a little like a prison sentence. But yes, likely hybrid work is a ruse, but also I wouldn't be surprised if work from home is also a ruse--imagine a scenario like this: "since your home is your office, we are going to need to monitor you on off hours and we'd also like you to start doing more overtime".

👤 alfl
We're in the middle of leasing an office because the market for office space is flooded right now: way more supply than demand. We're getting a great price on a long-ish term lease.

We did some in-office tests in a coworking space and productivity went through the roof. We seem to be seeing that offices are a kind of thinking and focus tool.

Approx. half of our team is remote, so we're kitting out the office with TVs, cameras, and microphones to create a "hybrid space". We're probably going to add some practices like, "all meetings are video calls". Things like that.


👤 incomingpain
How many buildings are empty right now? Selling your large corporate building isn't going to go well. Nobody wants it because their workers dont want to be in the office anymore.

But then again maintenance, utilities, toilet paper, sickness, taxes, etc are all burning a hole in their pocket. So better to force people back to the office?

Worse yet, any big corp that announces back to work has an army of recruiters cold calling all their employees offering them exactly what they want. More money and work from home.

It's an impossible situation for businesses.

Flipside, what's more important to look at is only what you can control. You wont change your employer's mind on whatever bad decision they make.There are only bad decisions to make.

You can control yourself. Do you even want to go in for 2 days a week? Personally I'm not interested in paying for parking, 1 ply toilet paper and pointless chitchat about moon knight or some other tv show i havent had the chance to watch.

You can instead make the decision for what you can control. There's an awful lot of employers who will accept completely remote workers.


👤 donpott
I'm not sure about a deliberate ruse. In my experience, that level of forward planning is rare in big companies.

What is clear to me is that hybrid is the worst of both worlds: Incurring the many costs of having to come to the office, only to find that such and such colleague is at home, and there is little to zero added value to your presence there.

So from that, it follows naturally that many companies will slippery-slope into full time in the office, aducing that it is an advantage over hybrid.


👤 pm90
It’s definitely an appeasement.

Pre-Pandemic, fully remote folks were at a distinct disadvantage since they would be cut off completely from the politics, relationship building etc. that would happen via people being in the office. This strategy is clearly aimed at discouraging people from being fully remote by making them aware of the “benefits” of working in an office.

I feel sorta lucky because my team is distributed between two cities on the West Coast, so even if people are in the office you still have to video conference … making it somewhat pointless.

I was talking to a friend at Apple who had been forced to work from their office. They are really unhappy; primarily they were so used to the peace and quiet of wfh that they’re having a hard time getting anything done in a loud (relatively) office.


👤 msarrel
My thinking is that we're approaching this from what we would like to do, and our bosses are approaching this from what is of the most monetary value. They're paying rent. They really don't care if the software development business model no longer fits sitting in an office, they're paying that rent and we had damn well better get our asses in that office. They're willing to lie to get us there too.

In case you're wondering where I'm coming from, my company switched to purely remote. Yet we're still renting a huge office, and we're told to go there every once in awhile. But we're purely remote. It seems pretty obvious that we're just remote until someone can crack the whip and make us go back so they feel like they're getting their money's worth on rent.

I think the other thing worth mentioning, we're not alone. This is going to be done to all of us. Remote work is great, but it turns out companies aren't run for the benefit of the worker.


👤 twobitshifter
I’m you from the future. We started on a hybrid office more than 4 months back. Hybrid was very weak with the requirement of 66% of the time in the office (1.5 days work from home?)

Management has recently reported that it’s failing and is signaling that people need to return to the office full time. This is absent the evidence of any failures (only allusions to kpis) and with many people already having refused to return to the office for even a fraction of the time for hybrid work. If the company shows stronger resolve the only end game is those people leaving or being let go by the company.

As another poster said individuals know the quality of their work and if they perform better remote or at work. The individuals doing well will never be convinced by management of the need to return.


👤 kodah
Just leave. Most companies in high cost and high income areas are just doing this as a way to do layoffs, imo. My company recently announced that the three day work week, with hundreds of people asking how they were going to address the fact that our office is in Mountain View and that Staff+ engineers are having to get room mates so they can live less than an hour from the office. Our HR head basically said not my problem and then went on a lengthy discussion about the culture they wanted.

This is people's callousness reaching heights as people who were able to secure things like houses that are now worth millions and big cashouts in tech are coming to the height of their careers.


👤 perrygeo
I worked at a company that was "hybrid" prior to the pandemic - deliberately, not because they were forced to be. 2 days in the office (same days for everyone) and 3 days remote. All meetings had a zoom link to support distributed work if you had to work from home for any reason. Some people worked in the office 5 days a week but they worked on hardware and shipping logistics, making presence a requirement.

It worked wonderfully. The two days in the office were full of ad hoc conversations, lunches, whiteboarding, pair programming .. all the stuff that's good about office work. The other 3 days a week, we stayed home and focused on building all the cool stuff we'd hashed out together with almost no interruptions. It was very much the best of both world, allowing both introverts and extroverts to thrive.

So hybrid working can turn out great IF it's a deliberate part of the culture. But in the general case of corporate America calling their workers back to the office, it does feel like a ruse.


👤 wyldberry
IMO no. I think work that is creative + collaborative in nature (ex: entertainment) performs best with a few days where people are physically around. It's not just the act of meetings, it's how charged people can get when they are around other people on the same wavelength creating new things.

I think for junior engineers, being in person is invaluable a few times a week just having a whiteboard around. Early in my career having a senior dev around to bounce questions off of, or work CTF problems together really, really helped me.

Certainly there is some number of managers who just want control over people, but i think that's probably smaller than what some commenters are implying. The The questions i use for if a particular way of working is a ruse or effective is this:

1. What industry am I working in? If you work in an industry physically making things, you're likely to also benefit from being in the office some days. Same with creative work.

2. What's the ratio of "senior" to mid and junior level employees?

3. Is the company willing to let individual teams make more flexible decisions? I.e go down to 1 day a week, 1 day a sprint etc?

My end goal is to understand the nature of the organization I work for, why it makes decisions the way it does, and if leadership wants to send a message, or if they are open to trying to find the way that is productive and keeps people happy.


👤 midnightmonster
Sounds like temporary appeasement.

~6 years ago I switched from full time remote freelancing/consulting to full time at a local startup with just a handful of employees and 1 day/week in-person.

Then 1 day became 2. Then we got a real office and 2 became 3 with a worse commute. Then 3 became, unofficially, if you want to be taken seriously, you should come in every day, or at least 4 days/week. You could still leave early on Fridays! I stayed at 3 days/week until I found a new, fully-remote employer.


👤 chias
On my team, a couple of us started coming in on (most) Wednesdays. Slowly, more and more of us just started coming in on Wednesdays because it was fun to have a day where we would all hang out together / have lunch together / etc. It's been really nice. So in practice, most of us are now "Hybrid Working" and it's working out great.

That being said, if it was mandatory, I would have negative feelings about it.


👤 thraway3837
Yes. What did you think the future was? All remote and WFH? People are already running into issues where interpersonal conflicts cannot be dealt with effectively. There's no guidelines or ever been done before on how people who have never met each other can resolve conflicts.

Long distance relationships don't work, so why would they for the workplace? I'm not advocating for going back to work 5 days a week, but remote only works when you have a solid relationship with your peers and leadership. But workplaces are stunted socially, with either non existent relationships, or fake relationships that's only self serving.


👤 sanderjd
Personally I think where this is headed is self-sorting into fully remote and fully in person. I think smaller companies will want to choose one or the other, and that larger companies could perhaps choose at the level of fairly granular orgs. I think "hybrid" and having different options within a single team is unlikely to be a stable equilibrium.

👤 paxys
Everyone is missing one key advantage (for the employer) of such a setup – mandating even a single day per week from the office ensures that employees live in the geographical area they are supposed to. So they can't "cheat", for example, by listing a bay area address and getting a bay area salary but actually working out of Mexico.

👤 christophilus
I'm not sure about your question, but I'll answer a related one:

Hybrid teams are a ruse. If you're a remote employee, but most of the team is on-premises, you're a second-class citizen, and you'll be first to go if cuts are made. At least, that's how it's been wherever I've worked.

I was never the one cut, as I was generally on-premises when in mixed teams.

These days, I work only for 100% remote / remote-first companies if possible.


👤 gernb
So I someone that would prefer to be at the office. I like socializing and getting lunch with coworkers. I like casually asking question, running ideas by others, all things that, FOR ME, don't work remote.

Unfortunately, at least so far, people in my area aren't coming in so I've shown up at the office and in my space few others are showing up. Also, getting rooms for meetings is no fun

I don't know what I'm going to do but I will likely quit and find an in office team if things don't get better. Humans (most) are social animals https://www.google.com/search?q=humans+are+social+animals


👤 sydbarrett74
Managers who mandate hybrid work are employing a 'boil the frog slowly' approach. At first, two days will be mandatory, then three, then all five. Power over others is a drug, and they won't willingly cede those sweet, sweet dopamine spikes.

👤 iso1210
Any 2 days, or 2 named days?

If they want the entire company in for sat Tuesday and Wednesday, that could make sense - happenstance communications with people you don't normally talk to would probably be easier.

If your team lead wants you all in for a specific day for meeting etc that could make sense too. We're arranging a meeting + beers for mid May for example.

If it's any 2 days, then no, what's the point.


👤 ne0flex
I agree. With hybrid work, one thing I noticed is that, at least among my coworkers and myself, is that productivity will be concentrated to those one or two days in the office and the WFH days will productivity will fall dramatically. When we were fully remote, productivity held consistently throughout the week. I'm willing to bet that the organization is monitoring this trend and will try to build a case for needing full back to office.

Though at the same time, my company opted didn't renew their lease on two office floors (out of a total of 8 floors) due to hybrid work and employees not having a designated desk. So who knows.


👤 pacifika
Assuming the intention is not to miscommunicate, remote workers need access to the communication pipeline and decisions graph. With hybrid working, many of these are happening face to face, around the watercooler etc, and the burden falls on the office worker to duplicate this work digitally. That is not effective so eventually no longer happens, so remote workers lose out, and office work prevails.

This is why good fully remote organisations decided to not have an office, and appreciate transparency, working in the open, supporting one another etc. Of course these values are not exclusively fully remote.


👤 notatoad
Hybrid work where you're required to be in the office 2 out of 5 days with no further requirement of which two days, I think that is as you say "a ruse", and management demonstrating that they dont trust you to work from home.

If there's an actual stated purpose for those two days to be in-person days (like your team has designated day for in-person meetings or planning sessions or something, or there's some task that needs to be done in-person each day and there's a rotation of who is responsible for it) then it makes sense.


👤 IE6
I'm in this right now and one big way this fails is that no one is on the same schedule. It's not uncommon for me to go into work only to join teams meetings anyway. I even stopped going to the room we all planned on meeting in because it would only be me in there anyway. The office furniture isn't that bad (somewhat modern, sit stand, somewhat ergo) so I can't complain but it doesn't compare to my setup at home - that's where the value prop suffers greatly.

👤 j4yav
Hybrid is worse than all-remote or all-office. It’s essentially forcing you to come into the office to sit on zoom calls.

👤 jefftk
Our office is Tue-Thr in the office, with Monday and Friday optionally. The idea is that this lets people collaborate on work that is best done in person, by having everyone present for the same three days. Still too soon to see how well this works.

👤 MattGaiser
Companies have the problem that half their workforce wants the office and half wants remote, so I would say that hybrid is the truce. The alternative is massive losses of one side or the other.

Although I think that it is probably better for companies to pick a side as neither will be happy with the arrangement as it (at least when i was at a hybrid company) just meant going on Zoom from our office desks.


👤 spzb
The thing that makes me laugh is that these managers insist on people coming into the office because "that's where they're more collaborative and creative". Before the pandemic they wanted to take us all off-site for an away day so we could be more collaborative and creative than when we were in the office!

👤 postalrat
Reorganize teams based on who wants to be in the office and who doesn't. Seems like it won't be much fun or productive to be on a team where half the people want to work remote and the other half wants to be in the office.

👤 june_twenty
Yes it's a ruse. Covid is still around so I expect when it is really dead, companies will demand a proper return to office.

👤 tapanjk
> What do you think?

I think so too. This is what I vented on Twitter a few weeks ago (pardon the tone -- in my defense, I don't have many followers): "You keep hearing about the hybrid model, but that is just corporate speak to lure you back into office. It is just a matter of time before they declare that they tried hybrid and it did not work, so it's going to be office only from now on."

https://twitter.com/tapanjk/status/1510491733640896515


👤 sys_64738
It's all down to the individual company I guess. Some will have maniac managers who quickly want to reassert their authority and control but you gotta ask if you really want to work there. If an employer tells you something is "mandatory" then you can still decide for yourself. You don't have to do what they demand. you can either leave the building or ignore it and see what happens next. Employers don't own you.

👤 ratww
My company is hybrid, but coming to the office is entirely optional. Enough people naturally started coming back once in a while.

The way they convinced us that it won’t change on a C-Level’s whim is by drastically reducing the office size so it’s not even possible for anyone to come back full time. But you can work at a co-working space if need be.

The company saved a lot of money by not having an office and I’ve never seen such a productive team in my entire career.


👤 hackitup7
I am in leadership at a company and at least for us it is absolutely not a ruse. My team wants hybrid (or remote), people we want to hire want hybrid (or remote), I want them to be happy. As a result we're hybrid/remote and incentives are about as aligned as they can be. Things might change but I view this as a reasonably likely steady state and am doing nothing to change it.

👤 warrenm
"Hybrid working" (partially in-person, partially remote) may or may not be a "ruse"

For certain purposes, being in-person can be useful

If the office space is already paid-for, it's silly (from a business perspective) to not use it

If you have needs for scheduled all-hands or other types of meetings, doing them all over Zoom can be much slower / less efficient than doing it face to face


👤 iamdbtoo
I would assume that's the case if I were you. In my experience, compromises like this are really just the first step in a process to implement an unpopular policy. It would damage morale too much to do require the full week so they start there and take steps over time to minimize the impact.

👤 _benj
I’m slightly suspicious about the “mandatory” hybrid model. I’ve been working remotely pre-Covid and I really like it. With that said, I recently visited the office and met some people that I’ve had diverging opinions… and I was completely sock to find out how much was lost during the conversation and how a short chat face to face clarified so much! I don’t think is enough to justify working from the office but I’m now planning to make it to the office something like every other month.

At the same time, even though I’m fully remote I’ll work from a coffee shop from time to time. Offices could become such company-provided hub/spaces for when a change of air, reliable internet, or access to physical resources (hardware) is needed.


👤 atoav
Depends on the job I think. For many roles it can be beneficial to have somebody physically present at least once a week so people can meet and talk and have face-to-face discussions about things.

For other jobs or in different roles it could be totally unnecessary to be there at all.

In my job, being there is part of the job, because I need to fix thing in the infrastructure of the house. I didn't even have a single home office week during the whole pandemic — I also managed to not catch the damn thing up to now.

Yet I convinced my superiors that it would be beneficial to give me one home office day a week, precisely because people will not disturb me there. In terms of pushing out code it is easily the most productive day of the week. And it is friday on top of everything.


👤 kkfx
IMVHO it's just a stupid middle-ground who makes all unhappy to avoid making all unhappy.

With hybrid works you need or fully portable gears or two set of them, witch means not just a craptop in a backpack but also docking station, monitor(s), keyboard&other stuff etc. Long story short or the company spend the double in hw or at home you'll probably use something from you, maybe also the entire desktop with all relevant security risks. Not only working less in the office, but still having an office the company spent essentially the same amount of money and the workers still have to live around, perhaps in an expensive area or in little houses since around the office perhaps there is no room for better accommodations and still need a home office to be in comfort at home.

Personally I think hybrid will last for a short period of disastrous time and here the sole possible ruse might be provoking and using the hybrid disasters to state "look, remote working does not work, we need business as usual". After since we can't sustain the current social transformation in a classic way of life WFH will be the standard for a little slice of potentially remote workers, while others will be forced in the classic South Korean's Goshiwong model with a combination of hyper-stagflation and false environmental claims.

Then the many who still can't understand that:

- no, we can't continue as usual, we can't keep going on oil etc

- no, the Green New Deal is green in the dollar and stereotypical chem waste corroded barrels not spring grass green.

Will finally understand that the new neo-feudal society is now built and they are well f*ked up, too late to change anyway, as usual. Than we still see the reactionary cohort from today saying that we need to came back and the progressive ones saying that no the fault is having not done much more.

That's the real "ruse" (and not much a ruse, since countless think tanks have published black on white since years) but hybrid work is just a small step not specially linked with "the plot"...


👤 lbrito
There are many fully remote companies. Just pick one. Don't work at a company that presses rto.

👤 hatware
At my last job, productivity took a huge hit when everyone went WFH, and everything seemed to slow to a crawl. The funny thing was, it was obvious as an IC, but management kept saying "Nope, things are moving as normal!"

The team I was on needed a serious adjustment period because we worked with every other team in the company (1000+ employees). The synergy that existed in the office and allowed our team to be a force multiplier was drained almost immediately.

Ultimately, I had to leave because the pace and variety of work was suffering and not getting better. The culture was also on its last legs from psychologically torturing folks for 2 years.


👤 lacker
Personally, I think a schedule of 2 days in the office and 3 days wherever is pretty nice. You can regularly have important team meetings and 1-1s in person, you can get to know your coworkers face-to-face, but you can skip most of your commuting time.

Different people have really different opinions though and I completely understand there are some people who prefer 100% remote and some people who prefer 100% in-person. Who knows what sort of people your executives are. Maybe your management is just doing temporary appeasement. You'll just have to wait and see.


👤 francisofascii
I think management wants to keep their options open. My company has been very vague about long term remote work plans. They clearly prefer that people come back to the office. They like being with people, and seeing dynamic office environments. But they also don't want to spook the employees into a mass exodus. So far they have set a mandatory two days a week policy, but it is not being enforced and less than half of the employees are following it. So as long as employees continue getting work done, it should stay.

👤 the_doctah
Easy. Ask yourself, "Would my company have done this if the pandemic never happened?"

If the answer is no, then there's your answer. It is appeasement.


👤 paul7986
They just tried that at where I work ... not many showed up and or went looking for another job. Management realized better just go full/permanent remote or lose our business and now we are fully remote forever. I was one who refuse to show up as its a 60 mile drive i use to do yet they hired tons of out state employees who will never go to the office and Im out of state (right across the line).

I bet what happened at my work will happen at other places of work due to competition .. as if the business loses employees they dont have a business. Joe Biden can try to force employees back for the sake of the old America but that's a joke ... no one needs to work in an office and I wont ever work in one again!


👤 freedom2099
I love working from home but I have to admit that at my company most innovations are born during coffee breaks! We have an amazing cafeteria with nice couches and rocking chairs were we spend at least an hour a day discussing stuff! Working in the office a couple of days a week allows us to do this but at the same time enjoy home!

👤 dibujante
Definitely a ruse. The main value proposition of working remote is not needing to be within commute distance of the office.

👤 miloignis
I've been 2 days in hybrid for a while now, and it's worked out pretty well. Monday is most all meetings, then the WFH days are tech work, with the remaining in person day being a good catch all for if I have to work in person with someone on something technical.

👤 richardwhiuk
Is remote work a ruse to allow companies to outsource all of their work to cheaper jurisdictions?

👤 dmitrygr
Yes, to avoid instantaneous departures if they straight out came and said "office or GTFO" this lets them spread out the departures over a year or so, while various factions of people realize this and leave staggered over time.

👤 jimmont
It's a political, power game. It simply shows lack of trust and regard for our time, or reflects inexperience and inability to manage. Otherwise the situation would speak for itself and the question wouldn't have been asked.

👤 hardware2win
I believe that theres value in planning/meeting in person and coding at home

👤 giantg2
I sort of agree. However, I think they pretty much have to be hybrid to be even a little competitive these days. My company is piloting a full remote position because they're having trouble hiring.

👤 ltbarcly3
Obvious ruse. They want you in the office, they are going to get you in as much as they can now, and they fully already intend to then adjust it to as much as they can later. Boiling the frog.

👤 nowherebeen
Are they paying for the office 2 days a week only? Probably not.

👤 TrapLord_Rhodo
i've been working remotely since 2017 and around year 4 it gets old and you crave being back in the office again. I imagine this will be a cyclical thing in the media.

👤 alexashka
The problem with offices is who they are filled with.

Solve for that problem.


👤 robotburrito
Is remote work something that could lead to solidarity between engineers? Union demands?

👤 bayareabadboy
Maybe sometimes. I do think it’s very funny to use the word “ruse” unironically.

👤 maxharris
Just refuse. Hold out for something better if you have any means to do so.

👤 faangiq
Of course it’s a scam. We’re stuck with it until the great boomer/xer die off hits.

👤 crate_barre
Non-remote work is the same as hearing a low ball offer in negotiations. I’ll keep looking unless I’m desperate. And if I am desperate, I’ll leave as soon as I’m not, as is with tradition.