HACKER Q&A
📣 ryan-nextmv

Do you use an optimization solver? Which one? Do you like it?


We’re trying to bring new ideas to the optimization space. We’ve used a bunch of technologies over time (CP, MIP, LP, heuristics, etc.). We’ve built our own solver (for https://www.nextmv.io) and learned a lot along the way.

Solvers are amazing. MIP solvers, for example, are some of the fastest and most mature software packages that exist. They’re also wickedly challenging to use effectively.

Do you use optimization solvers? Which ones? Why? Do you like them? Why or why not?


  👤 ta92834832 Accepted Answer ✓
The history of state-of-the-art MIP solvers is fascinating. There are very few people in the world who can develop them, and there is a strong history of developers jumping ship from one company to another, tilting performance accordingly.

Initially, CPLEX and Xpress were founded in the eighties. In the nineties, CPLEX was acquired by ILOG (a French CP company), which in turn was purchased by IBM around 2009. Around the same time, the original technical co-founder of CPLEX, along with the two latest head developers, left CPLEX to found Gurobi. Since then, there has been a slow trickle of developers leaving CPLEX for Gurobi... until 2020, when CPLEX suddenly lost its 7 remaining devs over 6 months (because of catastrophic mismanagement at IBM, from what I heard). Unsurprisingly, those devs ended up mostly at Gurobi, resulting in the CPLEX team from 20 years ago being essentially Gurobi now. Other CPLEX devs also ended up at XPRESS, which had been purchased around 2008 by FICO (the credit rating company).

Meanwhile, there is also a smaller Danish company, Mosek, that does its own thing (they have a MIP solver, but their focus seems to be on their amazing conic optimization code). And SAS (the analytics giant) has a small MIP team too.

Then over the last 2 years, three new solvers appeared out of China: COPT (by Cardinal Operations, a startup by Stanford graduates), MindOpt (Alibaba Research) and OptVerse (Huawei). They mostly have LP solvers for now, but for newcomers, the performance is extremely impressive. This is only partially out of nowhere, though: COPT in particular has hired several devs from the incumbents.

On the academic side, ZIB (a PhD-granting research institute in Berlin) maintains a source-available family of solvers, and has been a steady provider of talent for commercial solvers. The dev behind SoPlex (LP solver) went to CPLEX after his PhD and now Gurobi. The main dev behind SCIP did the same, and is now VP of R&D at Gurobi. Many more XPRESS and Gurobi people did their PhDs at ZIB.

The Coin-OR open-source codes for LP (clp) and MIP (cbc) were written decades ago by a founding father of computational optimization, John Forrest, now retired from IBM research. Their source code is difficult to read, and Coin-OR aims to eventually replace them with a new code, HiGHS. The dev who wrote the simplex code of HiGHS as his PhD thesis went on to XPRESS and now COPT. The dev who writes the MIP code of HiGHS comes from ZIB.

As you can see, everyone is very inter-connected. Hence the throwaway :-).


👤 anoncept
After several years of exploring, my current gotos are:

* Minion for IP for scheduling + edge crossing minimization.

* cvxpy (wrapping ECOS, OSQP, and SCS by default) for convex optimization for making nice geometry.

* Z3 and STP for SAT/SMT for program analysis.

All are FLOSS, which is my main criterion in many situations.

Beyond that, I like minion for its focus on only providing efficiently implementable primitives, cvxpy for the awesome lectures and documentation the folks behind it have produced, and z3 + stp for their use in tools I like, such as klee.


👤 chime
I would love to use one or more but the process to convert business logic to solver is painful so I ended up having to write a simulated annealing algo in Rust instead. I tried solver.com, Google OR-Tools, and a few other utilities.

It was much easier to build a score-calculator for min/max based on user-tweaked parameters, then, jiggle the data, re-calculate score, and keep doing it until there was significant improvement (again, standard SA). I would absolutely love to convert the entire production plan logic with material availability, lead-times, customer demand, quality control windows etc. to something like nextmv.io but looking at your docs, I have no idea where to begin.

Cost is a big factor too because 3 years ago I bought 4 old 24-core Xeons off eBay and they've been chugging non-stop simulating billion+ flops per hour with electricity being the only cost. I don't mind paying $50-100/day for cloud if the results are great and code is easy to manage. We have the same chicken-egg problem everyone in supply chain currently has - we don't have enough materials to make everything, don't know when we'll get everything, and so don't know the best order to buy/make everything in. I would love to write a solver for this using our dataset but I kind of don't want to re-invent the wheel.

As it stands, every solver I find is one layer of abstraction away from what I want to code in. I can explain the problem in length if you want but it's honestly nothing unique - just the standard MRP/ERP planning with ton of BOM items, PO delays, labor/machine capacity constraints etc.

Your existing tutorials explain how I can use your API/SDK to perform OR operations. That's great and a necessity. However, it's not sufficient for me because my questions are: How do I represent my production calendar in the JSON blob for your algo? How do I put a constraint of 100hrs/week/machine but also 168hrs/week/room full of specific machines. In other words, while each machine can run 100hrs/week, if there are 4 of them in the same room, only one can run at a time, and so combined machines in a given room cannot be over 168hrs/week. Maybe a tutorial or a higher-level library to help people like me convert business rules into JSON format for your APIs. Because even if I might be capable of using your API as-is, I unfortunately don't have the time to implement these things myself. Hope this makes sense and gives you some insight into at least one of your target use-cases.


👤 philip1209
I loved the JuMP package in Julia for being able to write models once, then swap in different solvers.

Most open-source solvers don't handle parallelization well, and they lack the latest research on techniques like branch-cutting and heuristics that can speed things up significantly.

In my experience, Gurobi is still leader for linear and MiP solving. But, it's really expensive and the licensing terms seem anachronistic.

SimpleRose.com was a startup working on a new solver, too - I'm curious if anybody has tried it yet?


👤 Tarrosion
At Zoba we use CLP, CBC, NLOpt, and OR-tools. Used to use Gurobi.

* CLP/CBC: open source makes deployment and devops easy, which is great. Linear models are nice in that you "know what you're getting." Performance is at times a pain point.

* Gurobi: super fast, but the licensing was just impossible. Partly that was due to high cost, but ultimately we could have borne the cost; the inability to do something like have autoscaling containers using Gurobi was ultimately the dealbreaker for us. As Zoba grew, we had to turn to alternatives.

* NLOpt: absolutely a blessing, but the variety of algorithms and tuning parameters is really opaque, even for a team with some OR experience/background.

* OR-tools: powerful but the documentation is remarkably terrible, and the vehicle routing problem solver doesn't natively support all the constraints we'd like, so we have to do some hacks.

Overall my feeling for all these tools is roughly gratitude: solvers are complex, and rolling our own would be absolutely impractical at our size. But also there's some pain in between "I've formulated my problem as a nice mathematical model" and "I can reliably get optimal results on time."


👤 shoo
The last time I tried to optimise something I ended up with a column generation formulation. I.e. I was wanting to rapidly iterate between LP solves of the (restricted) master problem & solves of auxiliary problems through hand written problem-specific algorithms taking shadow prices from the master problem dual solution as inputs. Then the auxiliary solution would contribute new variables into the master problem & we'd iterate until hitting a fixed point.

I needed shadow prices defined using the master problem dual solution. In my problem instances I would very often run into scenarios where the primal (and hence also dual) master LP problem had a unique objective value but the dual solutions at which that maxima was attained were non-unique. I learned that it only makes sense to talk about shadow prices in some allowable range for each dual decision variable, but LP solvers generally don't give you an API to extract much information about this from the current internal state of the simplex algorithm [0]. I read a bunch of LP solver documentation and the best one I found discussing this kind of stuff was the section in MOSEK's manual about sensitivity analysis[1]. This was for a hobby project, not business, so I didn't try out MOSEK, even though it is looks very modestly priced compared to other commercial packages.

What I did find, however, was that some time during the last few years, scipy.optimize grew an LP solver interface, and even better, Matt Haberland contributed a python implementation of an interior-point LP solver straight into scipy [2][3]. I found that Haberland & co's open source interior point LP solver produced dual solutions that tended to be more stable and more useful for shadow prices in my problems than a bunch of the other open source LP solvers I tried (including the various other LP backends exposed by scipy.optimize.linprog).

[0] a paper I found very helpful in understand what was going on was Jansen, de Jong, Roos, Terlaky (1997) "Sensitivity analysis in linear programming: just be careful!". In 1997 they got 5 commercial LP solvers to perform a sensitivity analysis on an illustrative toy problem, and although the solvers all agreed on the optimal objective value, none of them agreed with each other on the sensitivity analysis.

[1] https://docs.mosek.com/9.2/pythonapi/sensitivity-shared.html

[2] https://github.com/scipy/scipy/pull/7123

[3] https://docs.scipy.org/doc/scipy/reference/generated/scipy.o...


👤 cfontes
I've used custom made implementation in Java ( proprietary based on the owner thesis ) to optimize train crossings for big mining companies like Vale, BHP and Rio tinto, it was stressful but super fun work!

Lot's of money to be made on it too if you guys are interested, but it's super niche and hard to get into. There is a huge resistence from train controllers and other workers. I actually understand it because of the job loss involved but it was super cool being in a NASA like control center sorrounded by panels and monitors and seeing the trains moving based on code I and other wrote!

It was a just in time local optimization with lots of heuristics and business rules embedded into it. Basically impossible to reuse between companies or even railroads sometimes, the controller would then solve all the more complex crossing that involved either some lose-lose choice or a pre-defined business decision.

The train controllers are amazing at their jobs, it's super stressful and a single mistake can kill people or make the whole thing stop for weeks, with the software running it made it a lot less risky, one dude could control an area that needed 7 or more people without it, with minor interventions.


👤 eduardosalaz
For MIP and LP I have used CPLEX, Gurobi and to a lesser extent Cbc. I used those three using JuMP (Julia package for mathematical programming) and Gurobi via pulp and pyomo. Of all three, I think Gurobi has a very accessible documentation, note that I am not saying better or more complete which in that case it would go to CPLEX, and the integration with Python straight out of the box is very useful. Cbc is a lifesaver when we couldn't access the academic licenses of the other two. Overall, I think CPLEX/Gurobi are my favorites with a slight edge to Gurobi. I have tried formulating problems using .lp and GAMS but JuMP is so much more ergonomic even if it's strictly tied to Julia (which I find to be a good thing).

👤 lqr
Matlab toolboxes: Lots of algorithms. Good documentation. Converting LPs/QPs into standard forms is kind of a fun puzzle but very error-prone. Manual gradient/Jacobian for general nonconvex/nonlinear problems can be painful. Not open-source, so I stopped using it.

SciPy.optimize: Similar pros/cons as Matlab other than open-source.

CVXPY (& its default backends): Modeling languages are great. First thing I will try for a new convex problem.

CVXGEN: Amazing, but infuriating that it can only be used through a web app.

PyTorch: Only supports unconstrained first-order methods. Automatic differentiation of arbitrarily complex functions is huge. Somebody should implement interior-point and SQP on the GPU for PyTorch.

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As a researcher, my first impression is that your product is designed for people who want to deploy optimization in some service or business process, not for me.


👤 zokier
Optaplanner facinates me, but I have no idea what I could be using it for and the learning curve seems quite heavy

https://www.optaplanner.org/


👤 sits
Prolog and CLP is an interesting and powerful combination as documented here: https://www.metalevel.at/prolog/optimization. In particular the CLPZ library is very powerful: https://github.com/triska/clpz.

👤 freemint
I use JuMP as modeling language. For MILP i am usually using Gurobi or SCIP. For ILP problems have have been looking in to the exact solver https://gitlab.com/JoD/exact which seems quiet promising.

For NLP i usually go with either https://worhp.de/ or just IpOpt.


👤 chriswarbo
At my current job we use Optaplanner in a project, to move around seat reservations (in blocks of several hundred) whilst keeping the new seats as similar as possible to the old ones (each seat having 'attributes' with various weights). I mostly chose it due to being JVM (although it needed a little Java shim to make it usable from Scala)

In grad school I used MiniZinc to find exact optimal subsets for a certain problem, which took AGES and was only practical up to sets of size 11, but I could use its output as a benchmark for my own approximate solver.


👤 mulmboy
I've been using CBC via python-mip (https://github.com/coin-or/python-mip). It's great because it's got a super clean interface (milp variables/expressions/constraints), the code is quite accessible, and it's low overhead which makes it good for solving many very small problems.

Community sentiment seems to be beginning to shift toward favouring the HiGHS solver (https://github.com/ERGO-Code/HiGHS) over CBC. Something I'm keeping a close eye on.

nextmv seems to pitch itself as a generic solving ("decision automation") platform or something (unclear). But it seems that the only fleshed out product offering is for vehicle routing, based on the docs. Are there plans to offer, for instance, a solver binary that can be used to solve generic problems?

Also all the github repos under https://github.com/nextmv-io are private, so links from docs are 404.


👤 mzl
I use different solvers for different things, depending on the type of problem to solve and the goal of solving the problem.

* MiniZinc is my favourite tool for prototyping models. Looking into the feasibility of using it in a roduction environment as well. Typically models are small to medium sized. Also using it for recreational problem solving (e.g., Advent of Code).

* Gecode is my go-to solver for writing applications where I need more control over the solving process or I want to write a custom propagator or heuristic. Used it for scheduling, planning, and configuration.

* When in the JVM ecosystem, I've used Choco.

* I've used OR-tools some, but would like to be better at it. Mainly because OR-tools has a nice set-up with a lazy clause generation solver, good automatic heuristics, and a nice portfolio solver for parallel work.

* Quite often, a custom optimization heuristic is also the right tool for the job.

I've tried to use Gurobi sometimes, but for the problems I've tried, it has either been to hard to model effectively or was not a good fit. The licensing cost is a limiting factor as well.


👤 Tomliptrot
Optimisation solvers are complex and incredibly powerful pieces of software. However, there are lots of different options and choosing which to use can be a daunting task.

There are some open source options ([COIN](https://www.coin-or.org/), [OR-tools](https://developers.google.com/optimization), [Minion](https://constraintmodelling.org/minion/), [CVXPY](https://www.cvxpy.org/)) and other commercial offerings ([gurobi](https://www.gurobi.com/), [Mosek](https://www.mosek.com/)), other people write their own for thiner specifics purposes. Some [benchmarks](http://plato.asu.edu/bench.html.) are maintained by Hans Mittelmannt.

Personally, I have used OR-tools, maintained by a team at Google, for vehicle routing optimisation and found it powerful but poorly documented with an inconsistent API. I've also used R's [optim](https://www.rdocumentation.org/packages/stats/versions/3.6.2...) function and [lpsolve](https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/lpSolve/index.html) for linear and integer problems.


👤 electroly
As a humble programmer with only occasional LP needs, not a data scientist or analyst, I have used Google OrTools with the C# binding. I do not understand the solution techniques, but the interface is simple enough that I have been able to produce useful optimization results without needing to ask an actual data person to help me. The problems I've encountered have just been difficulties in expressing my problem in LP terms. Once I've done so, using OrTools is essentially just typing it in.

One thing I don't like about OrTools is that it seems there are better solvers available if you compile it from source, but I failed to get it built. As a result, I use the "CBC_MIXED_INTEGER_PROGRAMMING" solver because it's built into the precompiled libraries, not because it's necessarily the best one. It's unclear to me what benefit other solvers offer; the solver doesn't seem to be where my problems typically are.


👤 shoo
If I were doing another serious large-scale commercial optimisation application where it was more valuable to get a pretty good feasible solution rapidly rather than potentially wait a long time attempting to find a provably optimal solution, I would be very interested in seeing how localsolver performs.

Often the mathematical model of the real world problem or the input data used to parametrise the model has a fair bit of approximation error (e.g. assuming parameters are deterministic when actually they are uncertain, linearising things to bash them into the MIP modelling framework, etc) , so pragmatically it doesn't often seem useful to be too bothered about getting an optimal solution to an approximate problem vs getting an approximate solution to perhaps a better model approximation of the true situation.

https://www.localsolver.com/


👤 aurelian15
I have been using OSQP [1] quite a bit in a project where I needed to solve many quadratic programs (QPs). When I started with the project back in early 2017, OSQP was still in early stages. I ended up using both cvxopt and MOSEK; both were frustratingly slow.

After I picked up the project again a year later (around 2019ish), I stumbled across OSQP again. OSQP blew both cvxopt and MOSEK out of the water in terms of speed (up to 10 times faster) and quality of the solutions (not as sensitive to bad conditioning). Plus the C interface was quite easy to use and super easy (as far as numerics C code goes) to integrate into my larger project. I particularly liked that the C code has no external dependencies (more precisely: all external dependencies are vendored).

[1] https://osqp.org/


👤 tarunm
CPLEX, XPRESS and Gurobi are the gold standard for solving an MIP of a meaningful scale (relative performance will depend on the specific problem but you cannot go wrong with either of these three). Unfortunately there is a big gap between performance of open source v/s commercial solvers in OR space. Type of problems I need to solve are usually unsolvable on open source solvers (very large scale supply chain problems). For smaller problems, OR-Tools or GLPK or CBC do work fine - but once you go commercial, there is no need to switch back to an open source solver.

My typical setup is using Pyomo for model formulation (gives me flexibility to switch out solvers with ease). I bundle multiple licenses using GAMS, it is more cost effective than purchasing individual licenses from solver companies.


👤 denisrosset
I work in quantum information, and I need support for complex semidefinite programs.

I use MATLAB/Octave, with the SeDuMi solver (to share open source code) or MOSEK (amazing, with free academic licenses).

For the modeling, I use either YALMIP (amazing breadth of functionality, though additional features tend to not compose well), and CVX (restricted use cases, but I find it amazingly robust).

I haven't made the jump to Python (CVXPY support for complex variables seems missing/shaky), or Julia (I tend to write OOP-lite code and haven't been able to wrap my head around Julia's abstractions).

I've also been exploring exploiting symmetries in convex programs, see https://replab.github.io/web


👤 Closi
Yes! We are a consultancy company that uses solvers to solve supply chain strategy questions for companies (and bespoke vehicle routing problems).

Our go-to is LINDO, mainly because it is powerful and it can be integrated into an Excel model which will let us share models with clients.


👤 jvanderbot
SCIP, GLPK.

I don't mind the overhead in developer time. Once you 'git gud' at translating problems to MIP/ LP, it's just a matter of learning syntax. The real trick is in translating problems.

It's a shame more CS courses don't focus on this problem translation meta-algorithm. You can get it in tough theory courses with problem mapping to prove complexity, but its usefulness goes way, way beyond that somewhat niche application. Learning to model problems as max flow, graph partitioning / matching, LP, MIP, gives you absolute super powers way, way beyond what you'd gain by having a solver that's easier to work with.


👤 uboot
- Cplex and Gurobi, sometimes some open source ones.

- Energy modelling: the core models for one timestep are small (ca 1-2k variables), but together with long timescales/stochastic programming the model formulation blows up (easily by a factor of 10-40k).

- Mostly LP-relaxations of MILPs with manual cuts. MILPs themselves take often too long.

- The solvers are ok:

  - There is a nice theory around LPs and MILP is understandable. So in principle, I trea them as black boxes.

  - API: Similar enough between solvers because of nice formalism of MILP. Generic APIs on most platforms (pyomo, jump, ..). Beware magical helpers.

  - Performance: For LP predictable. For MILP -- tune it. It becomes tricky when tuning solvers/staying solver-independent without sacrificing performance. Metaheuristics to the rescue. Open source solvers have a harder time here.
- The big problem is the modelling and context part: translating the problem into am MP formulation, ensuring correctness of units/scales, generation of apis and docs ... once you do it by hand, but if you want to run a modeling loop or support multiple models (variants, optimisations, special cases), then this ist most of the effort (and costs human time, instead of computing time).

👤 michaelrpeskin
We have complex non-linear stuff that maps really well to the meta heuristic approach that OptQuest uses (https://www.opttek.com/products/optquest/). It’s not free and has only a Java API but the time it saves us is worth it. I hear Python bindings are coming this spring.

👤 sa46
Related question, what are broad recommendations for vehicle routing with capacity, time windows, and a smattering of other constraints? I'm a generalist SWE by trade and my (shallow) survey of the field revealed:

General solvers:

- LocalSolver: good docs, reasonable pricing, docs make it sound fast

- ORTools: Open source, we we're leaning towards this since we're not doing anything incredibly fancy and it'd be nice to embed the solver in our server.

- Gurobi: major player in the space, will charge you an arm and a few legs.

Vehicle routing specific solvers were covered in absolutely outstanding detail by "Open Source Routing Engines And Algorithms – An Overview" [1].

We were leaning towards ORTools since we didn't want to get charged by number of jobs or compute. LocalSolver also seemed promising.

Also, is there a cost-efficient way to get distance matrices for ~50 stops? Google maps and Mapbox are wicked expensive. Is PostGIS reasonable?

[1]: https://gis-ops.com/open-source-routing-engines-and-algorith...


👤 wolfgangK
If I may hijack a bit this thread, I am currently looking for an optimization solver for a specific goal : I wish to constraint the values of variables so that tuples of variables are unique within sets of tuples.

Cf. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/71878354/constraint-prog...

For now, I could not find anything satisfactory, so any recommendation would be most welcome. Otherwise, I guess I'll have to generate a variable for each tuple and use and all_different (e.g. https://cpmpy.readthedocs.io/en/latest/api/expressions/globa... ) on those.


👤 ssivark
I've mostly worked on continuous high-dimensional problems (and not as high-dimensional as large neural networks), often times grounded in physical situations, where one can anticipate reasonably convex behavior close to the optima -- things like bundle adjustment, different kinds of generalized calibration, etc. In all these cases, (approximate) second-order optimization methods have worked great (Just throwing out a few non-MECE names eg: Conjugate-Gradient and variants, Levenberg-Marquardt, BFGS, etc.).

In the context of probabilistic modeling, my experiences with belief propagation have been good, but somewhat mixed. Sometimes it feels like mean-field methods could give more bang for the buck given how much less memory they use.


👤 version_five
I used to use Matlab's fminsearch a lot. In retrospect I barely understood how it worked and I should have taken much more time to understand it rather than just throwing it at stuff. But I ended up getting some good results with it (some antenna design stuff).

👤 stergios
I've used lpsolve [1] for over 20 years in various projects in the beginning. When the project momentum picks up and the finances can be justified, it's CPLEX.

lpsolve is simple to use. Open source, with packages in most every language. Easy to embed.

CPLEX because it's fast. With CPLEX I often find it takes more time (1 - 2 orders of magnitude) to formulate/construct the problem than it does for CPLEX to actually solve it.

I would love to get the chance to use Gurobi.

[1] https://sourceforge.net/projects/lpsolve/


👤 kartayyar
A past project used OR Tools. I generally liked it. It was a bit confusing at times and the documentation was a bit cryptic for using some of the advanced features, though the community was good about answering questions.

In general, I would recoment OR Tools.


👤 cm2187
Google OR tools (along lpsolve). Can be used with c#, free, common api for multiple solvers. I find that on certain problems, even linear solvers can be instable and it is useful for the user to be able to use another solver with a simple drop down. I never fully understood what caused the instability (showing problems that are perfectly solvable as infeasible/abnormal). I suspect it has to do with the many orders of magnitude between the range of certain variables and the range of objectives/constraints. The only downside of Google OR Tools is that you need to recompile it yourself to use glpk (licensing).

👤 belter

👤 osivertsson
In a previous life I used Gecode and found it had pretty good performance and was fairly easy to use, see https://www.gecode.org/

👤 huevosabio
I used to have to solve a ton of LPs or MILPs and rather quickly.

After trying different stuff, and under different platforms (e.g. Matlab + CPLEX, Python + GLPK, etc), I settled first on Python or-tools with COIN-LP (about 100x faster than GLPK). Later we got access to FICO Xpress solver which in turn gave us some other gains.

I really liked this benchmarking website: http://plato.asu.edu/bench.html

It seems like they got into some trouble, so I don't know if they are still tracking the main commercial solvers.


👤 __alexs
Gurobi is by far the best on the market IME. Performance is very good even on poorly designed models. The API has a lot of convenient features and while it is expensive it's not that awful to run it with their container licensing and even SaaS solutions now.

Xpress is pretty good at performance if you put a bit more effort into getting the model right and has very reasonable pricing.

CBC is increadibly slow compared to commercial solvers. Documentation is awful and it seems like they can't even compile it sensibly anymore because they forked autotools at some point.


👤 prvak
I use Minizinc in a personal toy project (https://gitlab.com/dustin-space/meal-scheduler), and GECODE or Google's ortools solver at the backend. It's used for meal planning. Unfortunately it's way way slower than I'd hope. I suspect I just have the domain not modeled efficiently. Maybe if I had a few days to put into it, and learn how to properly debug the CSP solver step by step, it might help...

👤 yashap
To solve Vehicle Routing Problems at my company we use jsprit, and have integrated it with lpsolve. jsprit natively schedules stops into time buckets, then we use a linear equation solved by lpsolve to move them to precise ideal times. Works well.

Although jsprit isn’t the most lightning fast VRP solver, it’s highly customizable, and fast enough. Customizability is huge for us, as we have a tonne of very particular hard and soft constraints we need to be able to represent, and jsprit has always been up to the task.


👤 agucova
I've used Gurobi and Mosek and today I tend to use Gurobi whenever I can as a default.

I use JuMP to switch solvers to Mosek or an open source solver is something doesn't go as expected.


👤 ge0ffrey
Most constraints solvers require math equations based input. If you're more a fan of an Object Orientated Programming and Function Programming coding style, take a look at our solvers:

- OptaPlanner (Java, Kotlin, open source, Apache license) https://www.optaplanner.org/

- OptaPy (Python, open source, Apache license) https://www.optapy.org


👤 jhgb
My humble LP needs have always been satisfactorily fulfilled by QSopt and COIN-OR solvers (Clp/Cbc). I guess I'm just too boring for anything fancier.

👤 panic
I’ve used GNU MathProg (via https://online-optimizer.appspot.com/) and Z3 (via its Python bindings). I appreciated, with Z3, being able to use the existing syntax of Python, though some of the errors I got were confusing. The ease of installation/usage for the online-optimizer web UI is hard to beat.

👤 arsenide
The only optimisation solver I use is Excel Solver Add-In.

It’s great, but you have to be able to put your problem into Excel to use it which does not work for all use cases.

In cases where I’m trying to optimise something that doesn’t quite fit into Excel cleanly I’ll usually do some sort of hand-rolled Monte Carlo optimisation. This generally works for me in the types of problems I most often solve.


👤 swanson
I used OR-Tools via the Python bindings a few years ago. It was nice to work with once I got setup but it was a pain to get it installed (both locally and when deploying to a cloud server).

I would have liked some kind of API that I could call out to instead but nothing existed at the time: you pass in the inputs to construct the linear equations and then you get back the results.


👤 MrBuddyCasino
I don't know if this this on-topic or not, but I found this usage of Rosette to generate optimal 8051 assembly code fascinating: https://lab.whitequark.org/notes/2020-04-06/synthesizing-opt...

👤 usgroup
Is anyone using Picat? I'm deciding whether to bother learning it at the moment. I'd be grateful for experience reports.

👤 yablak
You're probably looking for a performance comparison. Look here:

http://plato.asu.edu/bench.html

This one stays pretty well updated. On the MIP side:

  * COPT
  * SCIP
  * HiGHS
seem to be top performers (of the OSS variety).

IIRC OR-Tools often by default uses SCIP for its MILP backend.


👤 escot
CPLEX (by IBM). The documentation can be a bit thin sometimes. But its fast. Most benchmarks place it ahead of the google cloud products.

For fun I made this Golomb ruler solver using cplex: https://github.com/strateos/golomb-solver


👤 ai_enthusiast
I did use Gurobi a few years ago for route optimization within a distro center but results were slow with load. I am now playing around with nvidia's reopt ...i think they now call it cuopt. Very curious to see solver results accelerated by GPU. The results shared were quite impressive - anyone tired it yet?

👤 hcrisp
Nevergrad, a Python optimization platform open-sourced by Facebook, is easy to use. Can't say how it compares to other solvers though.

https://facebookresearch.github.io/nevergrad/


👤 bouchard
Matlab: optimization and global optimization toolboxes.

Python: PyOptSparse with IPOPT (and NSGA-II, although not the best implementation) and scipy.optimize.

I use them for the Design Optimization of aircraft with multiple non-linear constraints and sometimes multiple objectives.


👤 anothernewdude
I used Z3, kiwisolver didn't offer the correct constraints for my geometry problems.

👤 gverrilla
We do non-linear optimization mith multiple constraints using scipy optimize. What we used was beautifully coded and documented, as I assume most of the library should be, so it was easy to use it, even for beginners.

👤 ai_enthusiast
I have been playing around with nvidia's reopt ...i think they now call it cuopt. Very curious to see solver results accelerated by GPU. The results shared were quite impressive - anyone tired it yet?

👤 amelius
Yes, there is some incredible work there. A practical problem is that these solvers are written in C or C++, and sometimes difficult to configure and install. Not as simple as referencing a Rust crate ...

👤 datadrvnsupchn
CBC and Symphony for open-source MILP, Gurobi for commercial MILP. OR-Tools for some VRP work. I use R (ompr package) to interface to CBC, Symphony, and Gurobi. HiGHS is looking promising.

👤 taylorius
My go-to algorithm is differential evolution. It's nice and simple, and rather effective in my experience. I wrote my own implementation though, so not exactly what you were asking...

👤 fhk
yes alot...

I started to write up a page to track the "business of solvers".

https://solver.news

Should be "launching" in the next week or so.


👤 sfifs
FICO Xpress (not free) has been very good in my experience.

👤 2gremlin181
I've tried quite a few open-source solvers but none of them come close to Gurobi. IMO its worth every penny and has great documentation and support.

👤 zelos
ECLiPSe was always quite good back when I worked in the area.

https://eclipseclp.org/


👤 nurettin
I use optuna, it has a global blackbox function minimizer suited for parallelizing parameter search space for slow evaluations.

👤 cadr
I have nothing to add except to say the illustration on your page of the mad scientist rabbit with the carrot is fantastic :)

👤 meanmrmustard92
Academic use: CVX[R/Py] are excellent because they plug into both open source and commercial (Gurobi, Mosek).

👤 Galanwe
Mosek (mosek.com) is good if you have conic contraints. Otherwise cvxopt is quite simple for smaller problems.

👤 dcanelhas
Last time I needed to do some horrible non-linear least squares optimization in C++ I used Ceres from Google.

👤 zwaps
Matlab solvers have been the most stable and performant for me, sadly not open source nor free.

👤 megiddo
Minizinc!

👤 asah
ORTools - pretty easy to use in my experience. Not sure about scaling.

👤 shaklee3
gurobi and cplex agree light-years ahead of the open source solvers. those will work on small problems, but you need the expensive ones for complex models.

👤 textient
Cool! I had used Minizinc for cost optimization.

👤 RhysU
Mosek is great, especially combined with Cvxpy.

👤 Abdulelahsm
Yes, Gurobi, yes

👤 zevets
I use IPOPT, and I like it quite a bit.

👤 sidcool
Long back. Gurobi and CBC.

👤 graycat
Ah, it must be due to Easter! From this thread it seems that now, finally, after all this time, OR (operations research and optimization) have risen from the dead! Sorry for the sacrilege. Ah, YouTube has some really good performances of Parsifal!

At one time, OR looked good to me, and I bet a lot of my career on it: Off and on I heard about various parts of optimization. Then at FedEx, in a rush I wrote some simple software that produced nice fleet schedules and literally saved the company. Smith's remark "solved the most important problem ...".

But since airplanes are staggeringly expensive, I considered optimization. That looked like 0-1 integer linear programming with mostly just one row for each city to be served and one column for each candidate single airplane tour from Memphis and back. In generating the candidate tours, could easily handle lots of complicated costing and really goofy constraints. The optimization step itself was just set covering.

But my wife was still in Maryland; the promised stock was 18+ months late; I went and got an applied math Ph.D. with a lot of emphasis on optimization -- dissertation in stochastic optimal control. I taught linear programming in a business school (trying to help my wife recover from the stress of her Ph.D. -- she never recovered and her body was found floating in a lake; the two Ph.D. degrees were very costly).

Then, after sending 1000+ resumes, net, I had to conclude: Nearly no one in business gives as much as even a small fart about optimization or operations research.

I did stumble onto some small projects: One of these was a marketing resource allocation problem, 0-1 integer linear programming, 600,000 variables, 40,000 constraints. I used the IBM OSL (Optimization Subroutine Library), called from some Fortran code I wrote, and used some Lagrangian relaxation -- in 900 seconds of computing, with as I recall 500 primal-dual iterations, got a feasible solution, from the Lagrange multiplier bounding, within 0.025% of optimality. The customer was not much interested: The CEO had a buddy, his CTO, and my success had apparently embarrassed the CTO and, thus, displeased the CEO. I never talked with the CTO after my success, but his belief was that his simulated annealing, running for days, would be the best approach. So, he was torqued at my success.

Had a similar situation in another problem.

I had to conclude: Optimization seems like an obviously valuable step, tool, and often quite worthwhile. E.g., for some $100 million project, optmization might save 10%, $10 million.

There were some Nobel prizes based on optimization.

There have been lots of successful, valuable, optimization projects reported.

So, there should be plenty of people in business eager to pursue optimization? Right? I assumed so. I was wrong.

But the guys who have the money and the responsibility and make the decisions very much don't trust or like operations research or optimization. They see such a project as a lose-lose situation: If the project fails, and some will, or just does not do very well, then their career takes a hit. If the project is nicely successful, then that success is a force in the organization that the C-level (CEO, CTO, CFO, etc.) can't really control. The C-level doesn't like to be out of control. Instead, they want to do things their way, and that does not include operations research.

So, I gave up on operations research and optimization.

So, instead of trying to have a career, doing optimization, working for a salary for people who don't want optimization, I'm doing a start-up. There is some pure/applied old/original math in the core of it, but no users will suspect anything mathematical.


👤 johnthescott
any ideas on integrating with sql optimizers?