HACKER Q&A
📣 athrvakhrbde

How do I practically create wealth?


I'm not talking about general advice like owning equity and stuff. I want to the actionables, like maybe joining a startup accelerator and work on my own thing (not the best example)

I was to reach FU money and get away from the salary addiction


  👤 muzani Accepted Answer ✓
FU money is often defined as having enough money to not have to deal with crap. But I think most software developers really have that kind of freedom. They might not have the money to never work again, but many can just quit jobs they don't like and eventually end up at one they do.

As someone who was a founder/manager, it's often the managers who have to appease devs. We've seen people who just... don't work and they still don't get fired. Because there's too much work to do and finding a replacement might take 6 months.

If your goal is freedom, then starting a business ain't it. You no longer have to worry about your rent. Instead, you worry about salaries, office rents, unit economics. You stop sucking up to your boss, and start sucking up to investors and customers. Most startups have a runway of several months, at which you get fired by the market, and have to fire everyone in the office. In the early stages, you also can't afford anyone decent, so you're still doing everything yourself or dealing with the cheap side of the market. If you're burnt out as a salaried employee, you take breaks, unpaid or paid. As a founder, all breaks are unpaid and they always lead to more undealt problems when you come back.

But starting a business and getting rich within 10 years is practical and repeatable. Just follow the playbook: https://playbook.samaltman.com/


👤 TrackerFF
If you want a "true and tested" and somewhat idiot-proof method.

1. Work hard, save money, and purchase your first rental unit in city with solid real-estate growth market. Find a bank / lender that accepts least amount of down payment. Get tenants ASAP.

2. Leverage that rental unit to buy your second unit. Banks are MUCH more forgiving on down payment, if they have collateral, and know you're generating income.

3. Repeat these steps until you have a nice portfolio of 5-10 units.

The real money here is not the income generated from rent, but rather the increase in property value. The more value you have = the more risk banks are willing to take, and lend you more money.

Depending on what country you live in, you might have to create a LLC (or equivalent) for each property. This shields you personally from losses, and gaps the properties from each other. Also, depending on country, the lending rules/laws can be more lenient on companies, versus people. Of course, there are more costs involved, there are trade-offs.

This is a strategy I've seen pretty much in every city with positive RE growth. People are making money hand over fist, starting from scratch - mainly due to very low lending rates, combined with explosive markets.

I know one guy that did just this, while mainly working as a developer. If he sold his portfolio today, he could retire - even though his debt ratio is completely out of whack.


👤 innagadadavida
Might be somewhat cynical. If you look at all the ways that folks have gotten wealthy: 1. Got lucky 2. Exploited or stole from other people / nations (legally or otherwise) 3. Exploited natural resources. 4. Something innovative that opens up new markets.

Most of us try to do 4.) if you have lose morals, 2.) or 3.) might be worth the risks.


👤 streetcat1
First don't aim for FU money, aim for default alive money. Than repeat. Think of it like the Everest - you first climb to first base, etc.

For example, can you create a product that will reach 5K MRR ?


👤 tacostakohashi
Spend less than you earn.

👤 f0e4c2f7
Make stuff people want. Software is good if you know how since it doesn't require any capital to start.

👤 penjelly
> I was to reach FU money and get away from the salary addiction.

salary addiction? first im hearing of this. People usually want money to cover their means + some for their interests. It actually sounds like you want more then that to me, since you want FU money and dont want to rely on a salary to get there..

you give an example of joining/building a startup.. is it because you want to strike it rich in 5 years and never work again or something? If so, good luck, the rest of the world wants the same thing.


👤 NiagaraThistle
There are a lot of good advice in the comments. I will just add for a great "build a startup to generate enough income to live on" model, I'd listen to Pieter Levels talks on YouTube and his first appearance on the Indie Hackers podcast. Then I'd spend $30US and buy his book 'Make'. It's the blueprint of how he built over 75 projects, monetized the successful ones, and makes almost $3m per year as a solo founder.

I know a lot of people might be haters, and I DEFINITELY know his methods might not be repeatable everytime by everyone, but the tenets are sound:

1. Find a problem you want to solve that others have, 2. Build a tool to solve the problem, 3. tell people about the tool, 4a. Monetize the tool if it gains traction, OR 4b. No traction? Go back to #1. 5. Invest the profits from your product(s) in an S&P500 index mirroring ETF

Keep building until you find something that gives #4a.

End of the day, you need to work hard at something long enough to earn more money than you spend and save then invest that money over a long period of time. Selling products you build allows you to earn more money than some salaries.

DISCLAIMER this is NOT financial advice. You need to work for what you want in a way that works for you and your situation. Good luck.


👤 mooreds
I found this book helpful: https://www.kenfisher.com/books/ten-roads-to-riches

It lays out 10 ways folks became rich throughout history, from being a loyal lieutenant like Ballmer to building a business to stealing.


👤 scottiebarnes
Your question is "how to create a successful startup" then.

Successful startups create something that people want (product-market fit).

How do you create something people want? Solve problems in your own life, or solve problems that you think about a lot, have some expertise in, etc.


👤 kwatsonafter
If you consider the history of wealth in the last few hundred years it might be advisable to just live a modest life. There might be a big populist revolution soon-- do you want to be someone who literally and metaphorically has your Tesla tipped over and set on fire by a mob?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosure

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_68


👤 sdarji
I'll assume you're taking off the table some of the classic ways to obtain wealth: 1) getting someone give it you, including by birth or inheritance or valuable rights conferred by some powerful entity, 2) taking it from someone, 3) getting someone to agree that something you already own is worth a lot of money and cashing out before they change their mind, 4) saving and investing over a very long time, and 5) participating in creating and building something that didn't exist and that other people find valuable and want to pay for, usually after convincing people to invest in your idea and taking a lot of risk to build it.

If all of those are off the table, this is a guaranteed way to get rich over the medium term: 1) earn a degree from a prestigious university or college in something very hard, typically math, computer science, or math economics (you will typically need at least some masters work on your CV), 2) have or develop a personality that can get you into a trading operation or ancillary field, 3) go work there, 4) don't spend money in anything but rent, groceries, gym, family, healthcare, etc., and 5) if you are good at your job you will have earned enough money in 10 years to never have to work again if you maintain a "quietly affluent" lifestyle. Unfortunately, there is a certain aspect of natural talent in this career (how your brain is already wired). My friend's son followed this path at a "Public Ivy" institution and in his mid-20s he was turning down $300-450,000 per year offers (salary plus base case bonus) to work at hedge funds in order to finish his masters and be selective about his employer next year. When he goes there, in good years he could get bonuses of $1-2mm or more.

This will probably offend you, but the fact that you asked this question at all and the attitude expressed in your post indicates that you are much more likely to waste investment capital on seminars and training materials sold by "get rich quick" scamsters. Perhaps you think there is some secret move or opportunity, and if it exists then the person who knows about it is willing to spill the tea on a public forum.

Do you want a few more actionable pieces of advice? Be a humble person, kind, and show gratitude. No one ever did this alone, so take that attitude and connect with mentors who are successful in your field and in life. Help other people. More often or not, one of those seeds you plant today turns out to be the thing that helps you much later.



👤 sharps_xp
FU money and practicality won’t align that well without a lot of luck. so optimize for luck.

👤 Spooky23
Buy a laundromat. Then leverage the cash flow to do your own thing.

👤 bachback
1) learn how to live of 500$/month globally and calculate your time to live as cash in bank/500. nomadlist.com.

2) get into crypto (building projects not speculation)


👤 tomcam
Not quite sure I exactly have FU you money, but I never have to work again, own multiple properties free and clear, have no debt, etc. i’m not sure if you understand this, but there is no 100% reliable formula to get there without taking risks, which means you might fail and end up worse than where you are right now. If there were a 100% reliable formula, everyone would be doing it. Getting a FAANG job, staying frugal, and buying EFTs is the closest.

I did it by raising angel capital for a business that sputtered out after five years, taking time off to write a Web server that went nowhere but which taught me a lot, going to work for a FAANG company in a frothy stock era similar to this one, leaving with $1 million after 4 years, and finally buying a company whose services I used but which couldn’t monetize. I then monetized it successfully. I chose not to patent anything and ended up with several competitors who copied the idea and were able to create similar lifestyle startups.

Starting from an early age I read a whole lot about entrepreneurs and money management even though I had no money. I understood I would have to take risks. About 70% of my businesses succeeded, and 30% failed. None of the risks would have bankrupted me, but I also knew I was batting doubles instead of going for home runs. My research showed me that becoming a billionaire almost always seems to cost entrepreneurs their first and maybe even second marriages/ brood of kids. I chose to tune down the risk, which also tuned down the potential rewards. My wife would much rather be worth $10 million than $1 billion for the same reason.

Why my trajectory sounds fairly straightforward, you need to understand that at every step of the way I was zigging while other people were zagging. That means I was always going against the conventional wisdom. That can be really hard because most people think what you’re doing is wrong. Which is obvious, but it also means that you have few or no peers to discuss things with.

I believe I won’t be able to help you because no one I’ve talked to with the kind of thinking you’re exhibiting here has reached critical mass. All of the companies I started, including the failures, addressed holes in the market. I had a deep faith that I had what it took to fix those problems. I wasn’t always right, which meant that I could spend months or years worrying about whether I’ve made the right decisions.

I didn’t think about things like “salary addiction“. I thought about solving existing problems that I understood personally, and bet my own time+money to do so.

I suspect that for someone like you the best way to reach your goals would be in investment banking or working on high speed trading. The reason I didn’t take that approach is because these jobs appear to be soul crushing. People only seem to last five or so years in those jobs and they seem to hate those jobs with a passion. So I made less money than most investment bankers but I still have the same wife and kids.

It’s not really clear to me why you think general advice like owning equity is not actionable, by the way. I did that too.


👤 danielmarkbruce
Buy crypto, obviously.