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📣 hifikuno

How do you manage your companies knowledge base?


After losing a few key personnel lately I have become painfully aware of the amount of knowledge stuck with individuals. While we do have a wiki of knowledge, a lot of the pages are outdated, incorrect or just not needed anymore.

My problem is, I know that we are missing information, what I don't know is how to tease out that information from myself and other coworkers. Do you have any advice on how to get the knowledge out of my coworkers and into the knowledge base? Or, do you have a book you recommend? I have found a few books on knowledge bases but the reviews seem to be pretty hit and miss.

Edit: After talking with some friends about it I think I was able to articulate my main issue I have. In making this documentation it feels like I am winging it. However, all my training has been in coding and coding always has standards, guidelines and frameworks. It's hard for me to just work on the docs as I feel like I should be following some sort of standard as I do it.

Edit: Currently I am stuck with Confluence as the actual technology to use.


  👤 bluGill Accepted Answer ✓
I have a strict rule, anytime someone asks me a question I respond by checking the documentation for that, and writing or fixing it as needed. Once I think the documentation is correct I tell them how to find it, and ask them to tell me where something doesn't make sense so I can fix it.

As an expert I often think things are obvious that are not. So it takes a few rounds to make useful documentation.


👤 phphphphp
I've not tried this at scale so it remains theory for me, but at a previous company, I proposed that we tackle this problem in the same way medical literature is managed by health organisations. That is, every page is owned and every page has an expiry: when a page expires, the owners are obligated to review it. The "yikes" part of that idea is that it feels burdensome, but that's because retaining and managing knowledge is burdensome and businesses should be measuring knowledge as an asset (or liability) and budgeting accordingly.

Ultimately, most people are digital maximalists when they'd be better off being digital minimalists. I (in my personal life and in the small teams I work with) purposefully delete things that I do not wish to accept the burden of owning. Either something is important enough to justify the burden of ensuring it's accurate, or it isn't and it is deleted.

I have found that thinking about documentation in these terms, it becomes clear what to document and what not to document, and it forces better practices elsewhere in the business -- like writing code that clearly communicates the why, or designing business processes that leverage a core set of business information.


👤 kaycebasques
> After losing a few key personnel lately I have become painfully aware of the amount of knowledge stuck with individuals

Speaking as a technical writer who has worked deeply with engineering teams. You might be "missing the forest for the trees" here a bit by focusing on documentation technology rather than engineering culture. Your team doesn't feel compelled or rewarded to create documentation. Go to your head of engineering, CEO, etc., share the story of losing critical company knowledge when these people left, and suggest to them that the team needs to be properly incentivized to create docs. Make documentation a factor in promotion, bonuses, social recognition, etc.

The technology is more likely to take care of itself after that. Rather, you'll have more engagement from stakeholders and will have more confidence around what will work.

But beyond that, in terms of wrapping your head around information architecture, Divio's documentation system is a great start: https://documentation.divio.com/

You can hire or find technical writers to give brown bag lunches on documentation basics. I would do it for you. Poke around on my HN profile and you'll find how to contact me.

Last, I would set the expectation that it's OK to feel like you're winging the documentation. I suspect a lot of engineers don't write docs because they feel they are bad writers and don't know what they're doing. Just focus on creating a safe space to creating docs and keeping them up-to-date first. Over time as you all use each other's docs you will figure out why they suck.

The Write The Docs conference videos on YouTube are also an excellent resource.


👤 maccard
We use notion (https://www.notion.so/) but the tool itself doesn't really matter. Confluence, Notion, Basecamp, etc. We're a team of 20 people right now, and _everything_ lives in Notion. No "look at this google doc" or "go to 's website", it lives in Notion. We can link to external vendors for "live" content, but PDFs are embedded, samples are zipped, etc.

Each page has an owner, a contact, and an expiry date. Owner is responsible for keeping it up to date, and if you see a page that is expired you can ping the owner (unfortunately we don't have "alert on expired page" yet). If the owner is unavailable, the backup should be able to answer any queries/update the page, and if they can't then the failure of that lies on the page owner. There are a few pages that have empty backups, by virtue of our company size, but all the critical stuff has an owner, backup and is checked once every month or two.


👤 r_hoods_ghost
Hoo boy, that's a tough one. One of my jobs is working for an ISO17043 accreditation provider so we have an ISO9001 QMS that all our docs sit on and every doc goes through an approval process, has a review date on it (6 months, 1 year, 3 years etc.), can have change requests, issues and non conformances logged against it, is included in audits and is written in a standard style.

We have a document controller who's job (not her entire job, but say 20% of her job) is just to ensure that documents are organised correctly, adhere to guidelines and are actually reviewed and updated when they are supposed to be (I.e. she will come and nag you if a document is overdue and you have been ignoring your notifications).

As part of the ordinary rhythm of business, metrics on how well we are doing on the document control front are produced and reviewed roughly every two months by a senior manager in a quality team meeting. If you don't keep up to date with your document control tasks it will be brought up in your appraisal (in a reasonable fashion, you might just have too many docs assigned to you).

There's other stuff, but let's just say document management is quite important to that business because procedures matter when getting them wrong kills people and / or leaves smoking holes in the ground.

Importantly the process of writing a doc is dead easy and anyone (literally, some of the most useful are written by the admin assistants and lab techs) can create one at any time. Theres a standard template and style guide, you write your doc, you choose an approval pathway, classify it and then submit it for approval. While it's waiting to be approved it sits in the drafts register with a warning on it saying not yet approved, but anyone can still access it.

In practice what happens is rather than writing a long email explaining how to do something you'll just write a doc, stick it in the QMS and give someone a link. Then when someone else needs to know that they can either find it themselves or you can just point them at it.

The admin overhead of the whole system is surprisingly small and means that we actually do have up to date documentation on most things.


👤 IG_Semmelweiss
Former Notion customer. It failed for reasons that I should have predicted:

Your wiki is always destined to fail if you are never going to use it as part of your daily ops.

This is why our internal wiki with "Clickup" is working OK thus far. We use clickup because it allows us to create tasks from within our wiki and reference docs in our clickup wiki, and link the latter to tasks or even email chains. As long as someone organized is handling the doc repo and the wikis, its quite good.

In summary. Its great for meeting agendas and opening epics or tasks during the meeting so there's accountability (no GDocs). Its great for doc repo that is "alive" to replace Gdrive. Its great to start customer comms (email outbound that threads inside Clickup) within tasks that themselves are referencing docs in clickup. You could also have a true HR / company policy wiki if you wanted, but we are too small for that. Instead we effectively have an OPS wiki. I think Clickup has found a great product market fit within the B2B space. It may even be great for B2C too.

Full disclosure. We are a customer. We make no money from them in any way.

I also bet that Clickup will eat Notion unless Notion does something dramatic.


👤 fasteddie31003
This is the exact problem I'm trying to solve with my startup https://GainKnowHow.com .

I think we have been structuring documentation ineffectively for a while. GainKnowHow structures knowledge by prerequisites in a Knowledge Web, which I think is the best way to figure out how something works.

My goal is to let you "program" your organization through skills in a Knowledge Web that represents how your organization runs. You can write tests to see if employees actually understand their skills and there are change management features that tell the relevant employees when a skill has changed through skill diffs.

Here's an example of how to train your software engineers https://gainknowhow.com/software-companies.html


👤 buro9
We (Grafana) are just about to roll out https://www.simpplr.com/ internally.

We've been using a mix of tools until now, Guru, Google Docs... but have lacked discoverability, powerful search, and in Google the ability to create sites for teams, etc.

Personally I use Obsidian and the files are sync'd via Syncthing.

What I wish would exist: A markdown driven wiki with Git (or something like it) in the backend so that you can clone the info locally, or refer to the master version, and even stage big changes to an area, etc. - basically something halfway between Obsidian and Confluence I guess.


👤 pxtail
For some documentation we are using https://www.bookstackapp.com/ , we have also few instances for clients internal docs.

What is especially nice (less for us, more for some of clients) is that it has clear, understandable and working out of the box ACL system in place - and this is not obvious or easy to setup/configure for many wiki-like projects out there.

For maintenance and filling knowledge-base - I think that what's works for us is establishing and following rules, for example: one cannot mark feature as complete without creating/updating documentation page related to it, documentation maintenance is checklist element of task completion flow.


👤 pabs3
The Diátaxis documentation framework is one I heard about recently, Ubuntu/Canonical are switching to it:

https://diataxis.fr/ https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-future-of-documentation-at-cano...


👤 hdjjhhvvhga
Old style - an "intranet" wiki that is linked to from the main internal company page. No orphaned articles - each needs to fit in the hierarchy somehow that is obviously quite flexible. Searching is easy and gives instant results. As opposed to the current version of Google, you can use search operators and they work as expected. Because managers embraced it and encourage their reports to (actively) use it, it works - most of the time.

The biggest challenge is outdated information: since the responsibility is shared, sometimes I come across articles that haven't been updated since 2011 - for example, because somebody left, and I see some bits aren't up to date anymore. But I feel uneasy about deleting the article or just doing anything about it unless it's one of "my own" or directly related to my department. But in spite of that, I think it's working quite well overall. I used Confluence in another company and it felt too invasive and in the end nobody used it.


👤 amattn
I'm working on a solution to this called KB Clip: https://kbclip.com

basically it's a slack add-on that allows you to turn a conversation into a web/wiki page in just a few seconds. Essentially, lots of important, KB-worthy info happens naturally during the course of work slack conversations.

The idea being that making knowledge capture easy kind of naturally makes the usage of the knowledge base happen. KB usage is kind of a chicken and egg problem. if no one creates info, no one will look there.

We don't currently export to Confluence, but the plan is to export to most of the major wiki/KB platforms. We're going thru Slack App Directory approval process at the moment, but we're planning on doing a big marketing push as soon as that happens.

happy to answer any question about this topic or the product we're building!


👤 fsloth
"It's hard for me to just work on the docs as I feel like I should be following some sort of standard as I do it."

Some standards come to mind: Microsoft's Style Guide (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/style-guide/welcome/) and Strunk&White's "Elements of style"

But if you feel writing should have standards, then you might to need to write those standards yourself. Which is not a bad idea at all - you just need to approach it as a journey of discovery - which standards are helpfull, and which are not. It's not something that can be got exactly right from the beginning.

Github's issue reporting functionality fills in automatically content hints.

Maybe you could start from headline template with content hints, and evolve that as need arises?


👤 turkeywelder
All the business knowledge is in Basecamp as that's where all the "work planning" is done. If you want to find out how a specific feature works, or how the decisions were made for that, go find the project in Basecamp, it'll be archived if it's shipped but it's still searchable.

For new dev setup/infrastructure stuff we use a github Wiki and the new starters point out issues in that for us - their first tasks are to update it if they find issues or missing info because it forces them to go and dig around to find the knowledge islands - they're the best people for it because it's who we want to solve the problem for.

Admittedly we've got a small company and a nice tight tech stack but there's still tribal knowledge in 2-3 people's heads and distilling that out to the team is a slow process of pair programming and explanation.


👤 furstenheim
I've always found that wikis are too far from the code.

To have any chance of being up to date, knowledge of the code and functionality should be as close from the code as possible.


👤 luka-birsa
We're happy users of Confluence (SaaS version) and try to store all knowledge there. At 50 employees we have multiple teams approaching the Confluence as a KB with various success so there are a couple of takeaways.

1. You need to mandate that everybody uses one tools and push for the use from the top down as well as showcase the use bottom-up.

2. Split responsibilities on a per team level; eg people working on product lead the product confluence page, people working on hardware lead the hardware confluence page...

3. Try hard to push all relevant discussions and decisions to the same KB.

4. Request that leads schedule time for updating knowledge base (we sometimes push for this via OKRs).

5. When people are leaving the company, we primarily push that they update the KB to the maximum (other work is not important after they give notice).


👤 thrower123
A succession of wiki products that are essentially write-only. No one ever reads them. Eventually somebody gets frustrated with the disorganization and says "We should switch to Yet Another Wiki Product" and the cycle begins anew.

👤 adrianomartins
I feel we've been in the same spot as you. We had a wiki (google sites and google drive with a lot of documents) but information would become inaccessible from time to time, to the point it was pretty much useless. We eventually understood that the knowledge sharing/maintenance was simply being an extra step in our work, a mostly disregarded one, almost an after thought.

What we did was to put knowledge at the center stage, make it as easy as possible, pleasant to maintain, and avoid at all costs new/extra tools. We eventually settled for Notion. I'm sure you can find about notion benefits on your own, but essentially it does all that. It's super intuitive, easy and beautiful, easy to get around (albeit sometimes slow). Get everthing in the same place as much as possible, with every new tool you'll loose out (knowledge bits here and there, extra connections that stop working, or that people don't bother to check)

But getting a good information platform was only half of the story. We needed to start thinking and working differently. We decided that if we ever make a decision, or arrive at a conclusion, that's worth sharing, then it should be worth writing. And it's by doing this, and expecting all other team members to do it as well, that we arrive at this stage.

I'm sure this doesn't work for all teams, and other teams probably arrived at other, even better solutions, but this was what worked (wonders) for us.


👤 blindluke
> My problem is, I know that we are missing information, what I don't know is how to tease out that information from myself and other coworkers.

I would start by reflecting on the way in which getting that knowledge out of the coworkers into the knowledge base is incentivized.

I keep my notes in markdown files. A lot of my coworkers use Obsidian, CherryNotes, OneNote, and I'm sure that there's a dozen other solutions out there. Keeping notes locally is actively encouraged by the fact you can't rely on the Confluence server to be up after business hours and the fact that the centralized knowledge base upgrades destroyed our documentation efforts twice over the past 10 years.

I also keep my notes short, omitting everything that's obvious to me. This makes them less valuable when it comes to knowledge sharing, but makes them better for me - short notes mean less visual noise to filter out. Writing a version of those notes that's more comprehensive is extra effort. That extra effort needs to be visible, treated as 'real work', encouraged and valued. Otherwise, I will prioritize other tasks that are visible, treated as 'real work', encouraged and valued.

The first thing I would worry about is making sure the central knowledge repository is as convenient as the local notes. Then, I would examine if creating / updating documentation in the central repository is encouraged, and in what way.


👤 nickjj
I use Obsidian for my own notes that only live on my machine, then they bake there for a while until they get refined enough to turn it into something that others can read in which case it gets published within Confluence.

Personally I'd rather see a knowledge base that is in pure Markdown, perhaps a static site that auto-publishes on push to a specific repo. I just like the idea of being in control of the text, plus it means you can write these docs in the comfort of your editor instead of using a slow web UI. Right now I end up writing it offline and copy / pasting it along with formatting it in Confluence afterwards, it feels like a little wasted effort.

We try to reserve these types of docs to be guides, it's more like blog posts not so much a detailed instruction list on how to use some library or app. This way they don't really get outdated because a library or step changed.

I'm a big fan of never deleting guides and notes though, for the not needed ones I'd still keep them around but maybe move them into an archive section. Really, a static site generator has all of the tools to make a really nice system for this. You could also spend a day to make a little back-end to offer full text search too.


👤 pphysch
There's lots of discussion about this or that wiki, Notion, etc. but IME this contradicts how knowledge primarily flows in 2022.

Most of the time, when I need to know something, I have a specific question. So I throw some keywords at Google and Google responds (rarely) with the answer, or (more commonly) with a relevant stackoverflow link.

What if you had an internal "stackoverflow", i.e. Q&A platform?

Obviously, wikis and documents still have value. They're important for onboarding new employees and roles and getting everyone to a baseline understanding.

However, 99% of the time, the employee wants to know the answer to an explicit question like "How do I remove a user from X" or "how do I reset/update the Y service". Digging through documentation to construct an answer is a lot of work, and should be cached somewhere other than the employee's brain.

With a SO-style format, you get a) a quick answer and b) context about who answered (without digging through separate history interfaces) and c) an informal log of how processes have changed over time. It's also very easy and informal to add a new question or answer, without worrying about formatting conventions.

Are there tools out there to support this?


👤 brongondwana
The important mental change, and it's a real challenge - is to realise that your knowledge of how the system works in your head is cache rather than live data, and that you need to check the document for how to do it. So if you change something, you write it to permanent store, not just to the cache. Which means it's not the new way to do something until it's the way that's written into the knowledge base.

👤 polote
It is all about details. What you want to achieve is what we call a written culture.

The only general advice that we can give you , will be pretty vague. Like get everyone to agree that it is important, start documenting yourself to lead by example, reference the documentation as much as possible when it exists, curate information so that out of date is marked at out of date, encourage your colleagues to document specific things, make the process about them and not about you. Changing culture is hard, and even harder when you don't have past experience doing it or not much support from your executives.

I'm the founder of a product solving those issues, but I'll be the first to tell you that the tool doesn't matter a lot. Some are better than others, but none can balance a culture in which documentation has not a strong place.

If you (or anyone reading that) want help to improve things in your company, I'll be happy to jump on a quick call with you (no trying to sell you anything, just advice in your specific case) reach out to me at paul at dokkument.com


👤 tlarkworthy
I advocate rotating roles, and having an operational doc, the trick being people have to repeatedly read and update the operational doc to fill the role they have just been assigned.

Mandating the doc stays up to date when noone is actively using it is an exercise in time wasting

The problem you are facing is the weakness of having individual specialists. The problem is not the doc maintenance but organisational


👤 thenerdhead
Depends on your position.

If you have role power, then set aside time to work on documentation.

If you have to lead with influence, you simply just start doing and others will follow. One of the best things you can do is document and show people how you manage the knowledge base.

Secondly, you have to delegate. Nobody knows everything, you have to ask for help and regular contributions. Just be up front and let people know your intention and they'd be more than willing to help.

Lastly, take regular notes. For areas that you have little to no idea about but others talk about all the time in PRs, meetings, and more, you can extract that knowledge to the point of having your best shot at making the docs as correct as possible and then you can ask for a review from someone else.


👤 remorses
If you are searching for a way to make docs more accessible to everyone and publish them as a knowldge base website for your users check out notaku.website/product/docs

It takes Notion content and generates a docs website

I am the creator of this tool so don’t hesitate to give me any feedback


👤 olegp
We use Nuclino: https://www.nuclino.com/

👤 Jefro118
Same as another commenter, I try to make it a habit of either referencing documentation when I need to answer a question or making a note to fill it in when I can't find a reference.

For searching documentation there's a lot to be desired too so I'll make a shameless plug for my side project: https://neat.wiki. It's a simple wiki creator on top of Google Drive but I'm layering on some GPT-3 goodness for semantic search and question answering so you can always find what you're looking for.


👤 gwbas1c
> Currently I am stuck with Confluence...

Try Google Drive

FWIW: A previous job used confluence, but my current job just uses some shared folders in Google Drive. We set up a shortcut to search these documents in our browser.

The search functionality is significantly better than Confluence. You just gotta accept that Google Drive doesn't look as "organized" as Confluence.

Another thing we do is search through Asana.

The big thing, though, is you need to encourage a culture of note-taking. Take notes in tickets. Write documents in Google Drive (or whatever wiki you use.) Make sure that your ticketing and wiki system have good search.


👤 denton-scratch
Last place I worked (about 15 people), we needed a knowledge store. So I set up Mediawiki, mainly because I know Mediawiki, and I like wikis. It started filling up with articles: about the dev tooling, the servers, the services and how to use them, deployment processes and so on. New people were onboarding every few months, and it was definitely useful to have the knowledge recorded somewhere.

What I didn't do is to design a knowledge schema. At what level of granularity should an article be? What umbrella topics should act as portals to articles? This is hard, and with Mediawiki it would be impossible to enforce anyway. So the knowledgebase grew like Topsy ("I just growed"), and had no structure.

I set up the system because I was (part-time) the sysadmin, and my skull was rapidly becoming a repository for a lot of technical information about how the systems worked. My memory is not so good, and I needed to pickle that information before I retired. So a lot of the initial articles were created by me, as fairly detailed "note-to-self" articles, and how-tos for my colleagues.

In retrospect, I suspect a tool other than Mediawiki might have served us better; but I was in a hurry to scratch my itch, and I had other duties. I think a more opinionated note-taking tool might have enforced some kind of knowledge schema. Mediawiki isn't good for representing knowledge as a hierarchy, in particular.

I don't know much about note-taking tools, so I still have no idea what alternatives there were. In the event my colleagues did use the wiki, both to recover knowledge and to store it. From that point of view it worked; knowledge was being saved and retrieved. But even a collection of text/plain files would have been better than nothing; the wiki wasn't used because it was good, I think, but because we needed something.

So I'm suggesting that if you have nothing in place, then almost anything is better than nothing. Whatever that something is, it should be able to export stuff in an easily-parsed format, so that you can import it to a better system should you decide to migrate (a collection of text/plain files would seem to fit that bill).

I'm not offering advice, other than to try something more opinionated than a wiki. I'm really offering anecdata.


👤 EnKopVand
After a decades worth of working in non-tech enterprise and small companies. Which means I’ve worked on major projects, minor projects, as an advisor and later implementation guide to external developers and so on, I’m not sure I’ve seen a good recipe that doesn’t involve making sure that people work together on the same things ever so often and to keep things as simple as possible.

I’m not saying that you shouldn’t build generic things for code-reuse and easier maintaining. Because you should, just be aware that as soon as you build a generic something, you’re likely stepping into the land of someone’s headspace, and other people might take a while to understand that. Which is where working on each others projects, or doing code reviews help in my experience.

I still encourage good and clean documentation. Something that quickly tells the reader what X does and why it does it.

I also encourage everyone to draw what connects to where and how it does so. Not in any form of detail, just so that you don’t end up in a situation where you have to doable a SQL user to find out who screams about it.

I’m also personally a fan of writing to-do-lists containing all the steps I took to make something work. I recently wrote one for how to connect sequelize to an instance msSQL server in azure. It wasn’t trivial, and because it involved a lot of trial and error, it’s something I couldn’t repeat again in two weeks if I hadn’t written down the steps that worked.

Good question though. It’s something we should all work on.


👤 lamontcg
IMO you need to keep it small and active and if you have old documentation you need to have the courage to delete it, or at least move it to some archived knowledge base that doesn't pollute the search space of whatever you're using.

The way knowledge bases die is they get cluttered up with irrelevant information from years ago which someone wants to cling to because somewhere in the mountains of useless information there might be that one gem which they cannot fathom throwing away, even though they don't know what it is.

There's a really common perceptual distortion here where people dramatically overvalue that one piece of information they might throw away vs. the corrosive effect of all the information which is crap (and the enormous effort required to sift through every single piece of information and one-by-one search for that gem and rescue it rather than just bulk tossing away things that are in areas which never get touched).

Which is not talking about the system which is ten years old which was documented five years ago, which every year is super critical to understand how to maintain it or whatever. But you know where that documentation is at because it saves your ass relatively repetitively. It is everything else that was written 5+ years ago that you've never once looked at which is the problem.


👤 mrwnmonm
I was thinking about using https://obsidian.md with a shared file on Google Drive, but still didn't try it.

👤 7thaccount
I've written hundreds of pages on our wiki. One other coworker has written a few dozen. Everyone else has written like 0-3 entries. 99.99% of people really hate documenting stuff. I'm not sure why unless someone has a photographic memory. It is amazing to have someone ask you something about an obscure process or subject and remember that you explored it and documented it in detail 3 years ago and can get back up to speed in 10 minutes rather than 10 hours.

👤 bingo-185
The diataxis framework may also be useful for organisation here https://diataxis.fr/

👤 lifeisstillgood
I was writing something called soppy (Standard Operating Procedures py) which something like that has been up recently. the basic idea is to have (online) checklists that at first are nothing more than 1. do this 2. fill in that

but each process can have a stage replaced with actual code - so eventually you have a part manual part automated process that is fully self documented

A few other people have same idea - I am sure there are some commercial versions


👤 svilen_dobrev
IMO unless there is some technical writer around there, which job is to put that doco right - extract the info from people heads, combine it and word it properly.. it's not happening. For 30+ years only few times i have not been the lonely editor of the project wiki (or whatever knowledge-base).. and i dont like doing it either.. but have to, as it's worse otherwise.

Writing (succint, correct, tautological where needed and non-dubious all-over) text is very hard, and very very different to coding, or any math-like thinking. Because the human language allows to do anything with it. (Esp. if foreign language, that adds another dimension to what that anything means). It needs (skill and) different frame of mind, and switching to and from isn't easy.

Which is probably main unspoken reason why developers avoid it (most techincal people actualy, mechanical engineers also dont really like writing documentation) - apart of other usual reasons, like lack of time, whatever..


👤 Dachande663
Started releasing https://www.waybook.com recently. It's initially aimed at onboarding, but turns out lots of folks like it for the structure it defines. Used Confluence before and things just got lost in a folder in a folder in a folder.

👤 escot
Docs become stale and untrusted. Theres a tech solution waiting to be made that orients docs around time instead of hierarchy or tags. Kind of like how a commit tells you something was true at a certain time and in a certain context.

But I also agree with other commenters that culture is a huge part of this.


👤 ivoras
We went with Notion and while it's a Jack of all trades (it can be a wiki, a database, a public-facing web, an issue tracker, or a combination of everything at the same time), and needs a bit getting used to, we haven't regretted it and find the wide array of features very useful.

👤 iamwpj
It's almost never a software issue. If you had another application besides Confluence would you be suddenly motivated to document? I doubt it. It's discipline and habits. The boring stuff. Tickets and projects should always include a component of documentation. Document about things, avoid how-to's except for specifics. Don't worry about screenshots, GUIs change all the time. Summarize uniqueness and put annotations on why something is set a certain way.

I'd write a book about documentation, but I just haven't had a chance to get it all down yet.


👤 bingo-185
https://www.serviceinnovation.org/kcs/

You should look into the Knowledge Centered Service methodology


👤 PPACI
We’re using the good old SharePoint with a lot of word / PowerPoint in it. Actually PowerPoint is really nice to describe different aspect of the same object. One slide per topic.

Everyone can search for it online, or un MS Teams. It’s versioned and everything.

We can easily export to markdown or even reveal.js (for ppt) using pandoc.

Once you get over your personal dislike of Word, honestly it works quite well!

The tech might not like it at first, but it’s waaaay easier to onboard non tech people into writing docs.


👤 okaydeveloper
For my team, it is Github + Slack + Google Drive. Most of the ongoing discussion/planning is on slack which we try to maximize by adding each activity we can there including screenshots of imp conversations, ideas and decisions made. We store all the work including creative output and more structured plans/data on company-wide shared Google Drive. Github stores all the code base and product documentation.

👤 autarchprinceps
I'm sorry, but documentation is a waste of time. It is never complete, never up to date, never easy to find something in, etc.

Spend the time to make whatever you are doing self describing. Write cleaner code, use infrastructure as code, ci/cd, automatic service overview, proper sprint planing, etc. Anything that improves everyones day to day life, even if they have all the information, experience, etc.


👤 mmusc
The startup I'm working on right now is actively trying to solve this problem.

https://workpilot.io The platform is part wiki/ part proċess management tool. After lot's of user discussions it became apparent that lots of business know how falls into those two categories. With the latter being easier to reuse and track.


👤 dataspun
In a large org with “enterprise” tools deployed I find that a combination of Box and Jira is a tidy solution. Engineers, analysts, managers, partners, vendors, and other stakeholders can all contribute and be provisioned secure access to the docs as needed. Definitely requires a high degree of organization, incentive, and accountability to make it hum but the effort is worthwhile.

👤 jcpst
Trying to make this better. Finding something sometimes involves a combination of tools that have been adopted over the years.

Hoping to get SO for teams.


👤 eigilsagafos
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👤 nicholasbraker
My BSc thesis was about knowledge management and this subject has always got my attention when it comes up. I work for an infrastructure consultancy company which employs 300+ engineers/consultants/architects over a wide range of customers. The main issue is what I call the "content versus context" problem. For example: A new engineer comes in and has a basic skill of a certain technology. Let's say he/she is well educated in Cisco routing and switching technologies. So the "content" of a certain technology space should be no problem. The challenge is the context: How does "skillset x/y/z apply to customer x/y/z" in which the specific customer operates in a certain context with its own constraints etc. In the aforementioned example: How does customer x/y/z uses Cisco technologies in what kind of architecture serving which specific services? The context is key and exploiting (in the positive sense) this knowledge is what you typically strive for to get employees up to speed with a new customer. The issue is (what you describe) how to make this contextual knowledge tangible and searchable in the least frictionless way. Within my shop there were different trains of thought:

1. Using fileshares grouped by customer (but this needed updating and not all employees uses those shares to file their work. Let alone the fact that sometimes it is not permitted to store confidential stuff on our own fileshares. We also do defense contracting work so that is a big no-no) 2. wiki's (already mentioned here), but this needed constant updating and for some the actual "coding" and using the markup language of a wiki was too much of a boundary 3. Using Yammer/Slack etc. This works OK as it is pretty low level, but it needs a certain critical mass to use and when you have 300+ employees with all kinds of customers who might also use their own Slack/Yammer what-have-you it's hard to get the employees conditioned to also check the internal channels each day/week.

We finale settled at the following mechanism which is a nice starting point to solve the "content/context" problem namely using the resumes each employee has to keep updated (and fiercely enforced by HR) and using a smart search algorithm to find the best knowledge-match of each employee. It doesn't work flawlessly and it had to be customized for us, but it works better than other methods. It's still a two step approach:

1. Search the CV for the best content-context match 2. Call/mail/IM the colleague and try to figure out if his/her knowledge helps you in tackling the issue you have.

Another method I saw someone use (and apply within a large online retailer) is to "tag" each person with his own knowledge set and visualize the links between them. So, again using my field of work as an example: Bob has a lot of knowledge (explicit in the form of certs etc.) of Palo Alto firewalls and is considered the internal "guru" in this specific field. The more Bob gets consulted for his knowledge the larger his "circle" of knowledge is (you can actually visualize this). What you eventually build is a knowledge graph were each point in the graph represents an employee with a certain knowledge set and every time he/she gets consulted for that specific knowledge by another employee a line is formed. This is a very powerful system but requires maintenance to update the knowledge sets. Setting this up requires interviewing each employee with questions like:

- What is your skillset and how do you score on a scale of 1-5 (or whatever scale one sees fit) in this specific set? - Who consults you the most for this knowledge set? - Who do you consult the most for which knowledge?

The end result is the aforementioned "chart" with "dots" representing ones knowledge. The larger the dot/circle the more knowledge one has.


👤 katet
I don't see a comment here for MkDocs, so I'll mention it.

It was started as a pet project for development knowledge, specifically migrating to local Docker-powered development environments. Initially that was all it had: the "how to set up the Dockers" page and a couple of other tidbits.

Over a period of time - years, frankly - it has grown into something a bit more useful, although still woefully short of where I would like it to be.

A few things have happened though:

* The first principle was: if I find something I have to "re-discover", document it

* The more it grows, the more useful it becomes. It's quite pleasing to be able to respond to a Slack message with "read this and tell me if you still have any questions"

* It's still slow going, but after some departures ourselves, we've seen a bit more interest in adding and codifying the "tribal knowledge"

The best things I like about it?

* It's statically hostable: GitLab/GitHub Pages, or if you need to wrangle it, `scp`/`ftp` it from a CI pipeline with a private Apache/NGINX deployment

* It's Markdown text embedded in the repository: you can grep it, or search it from VSCode/Sublime/any-IDE-of-choice

* It's Markdown text embedded in the repository: there's no way I can think of to make it easier for devs to contribute and maintain it than making it part of the same commit, the same MR, the same CI pipeline

* It's Python. Every Linux/OS X machine has python, so there's a minimal barrier to entry for previewing locally

* A bucket-load of plugins: Mermaid, PlantUML, SVG embeds, and more: https://github.com/mkdocs/mkdocs/wiki/MkDocs-Plugins

* The "Material for MkDocs" theme: https://squidfunk.github.io/mkdocs-material/

Nothing stops it becoming just as much of a mess as Confluence, but there's something slightly ineffable about being able to work with your docs as if they were code: refactor them! Reorganise, dedupe, and take MRs to fix stale articles/mistakes.

Other commenters have mentioned incentivising the docs, but I would finally add that someone, somewhere should take a principled stand around the organisation of the docs (and of course, give them space to fail, and experiment, and try again). Broken links are better than no links in the first place, since search is pretty accessible.

I was originally inspired by the documentation structure outlined at https://documentation.divio.com/ - although our organisation has evolved away from this into higher-level topics with subsections similar - but not identical - to the original idea.

Edit: as for the comment about Confluence, this is one of my favourite bits. You don't need "buy-in" for this, there's no subscription plan you need to approve.

If there's a concern around "split-brain" docs, I've used a guiding principle to defuse those conversations:

"Do these docs make sense if you don't have a local checkout of the repository?"

If the docs aren't related to the code repository - RCAs, business requirements, org charts, HR procedures - leave them in Confluence.

If they are related to the repository - coding standards, test coverage generators, docker/unit test commands, migration seed data - then what's the value-add for them being in Confluence? Your CEO isn't going to read them. Marketing don't need them. Put them in the codebase, and reduce the signal-to-noise in Confluence for the rest of the business.


👤 dotancohen
Automation.

No, really. Automate what you can. The best documentation is running code - it's the only documentation that is correct.


👤 cloudengineer94
If more than one person asks me the same thing, then it's because I need to document it :-)

👤 koliber
Here are things that I do to improve the documentation situation. They are not perfect, and the results are not immediate. Over time though, I notice how they contribute to a more useful set of documentation.

- hyperlink, hyperlink, hyperlink. Anything relevant should be linked from at least one, and preferably multiple relevant places. That Tim Berners-Lee guy was on to something. More on this later.

- many tools use a hierarchy (e.g. folders) as the primary way of organizing information. People have spent countless hours arguing about the correct organization of this hierarchy, or the best location for a document. Don't do that -- it's a waste of time and you'll never get it right. While hierarchies are often useful, it is not as important where in a hierarchy a document lives. Hyperlinks allow you to link documents that relate in various ways, creating a graph of knowledge. The hierarchy is just one of the ways those links can fall.

- don't fret the tool. Information can live in Confluence, Notion, a wiki, Google sheets, presentations, GitHub READMEs, public Slack channels, recorded Loom videos, and the list goes on. Hyperlink relevant things together. If you have a postmortem document, link to slack conversation. If you have a document describing a performance improvement, add links to relevant git changes, or recorded demos. Use the best tool for the job, and hyperlink things. Prefer tools that allow hyperlink addressing.

- hub documents rule. Each team has a hub. Each project has a hub. Each process has a hub. Each department has a hub. A hub is an index, a homepage, and a starting point. If someone is looking for something, they can follow the hubs. If you want to find out what the metrics on project XYZ are, remember that team Houston did the project, go to their hub, go to their project list, find XYZ, and hopefully you'll get your answer.

- encourage a culture of common ownership of all documentation from the start. All documentation goes out of date and no single person can keep it up to date. In the onboarding, I tell each team member to modify the onboarding documentation any time they hit a snag, have an unanswered question, or see something that is unclear or wrong. Doing this on day one gives explicit permission to edit documentation. With modern tools, there is an edit history so there should be no fear of losing things. It seems that people consider creating and updating documentation someone else's job. And not in a bad way, but rather in a "I'm not allowed to do it" way.

- someone else said this, but if you are answering a question on Slack, email, or a PR review, spend a bit more time writing a clear response, and then add it to your wiki. Then, write a quick summary and include a link to the newly-written document. Do this a lot, but use a positive tone.

- if someone asks a question and the answer already exists, direct them to the documentation. Important: don't be a jerk about it. Furthermore, I often don't link directly to the document, but link to a hub document where that info is stored and tell the person where to find the exact link. This will require an extra click from the person, but it shows them the context of where the information exists. This improves the chances they can find something on their own later.

- simplify and clarify key documentation. Brevity and clarity are key to consumption. It's a skill. Do this iteratively.

- loudly and publicly celebrate people who make meaningful documentation contributions.

- when someone shares that they are leaving, make documenting their primary job for the remainder of their stay. If you tell them to finish their work, they may be successful or not. In either way, someone else will need to either finish the work, or maintain it. If you tell them focus on documenting, this will enable others to finish or support the work better. It's more leveraged.

- when someone goes on vacation, ask them to document some part of their work so that people don't call them on vacation. It's a good motivator to not to be called on vacation.

- hyperlink. Search and navigation are the primary ways of discovering knowledge. Search is limited to a single platform or system, and does not always work well. Hyperlinking allow you to associate information in time, space, relationship, which allows you to use common sense and navigate the knowledge graph.


👤 weirik
I experienced the exact same problem when I ran my web agency. So much so that I decided to quit after 20 years and start an insight management company instead (https://wecomplish.no/).

I belive that effectively collecting, sharing and reusing insight within any team requires culture, skills, tools, time and incentives.

## Culture/mindset Helping your team understand the value of managing insight is central in order to have everyone contributing effectively.

Recommended reading for you and your team:

* Insight management (https://wecomplish.no/article/insight-management) * Team playbook (https://wecomplish.no/article/team-playbook) * Fix organizational bugs (https://wecomplish.no/article/fix-organizational-bugs)

## A system/structure/taxonomy When you have the culture in place, you need to have a well suited location for storing and sharing insight.

I am of course biased towards the Wecomplish platform (https://wecomplish.no/platform) here, but I belive (like you) that the most important thing is to have a clearly defined structure/framework.

The structure of the Wecomplish platform is refined over 20 years and can be found here: https://app.wecomplish.no/overview

I belive this structure could be replicated in any insight management system.

## Skills If people don't understand which types of insight the team considers valuable, nor has the ability to distinguish between them, they will be held back.

The quick fix for this is to have a catch-all Wiki section where anyone is allowed to put anything, and where more experienced team members can refine and move stuff to the proper location at a later date.

The long terms solution is to improve the understanding of the differences between concepts like roles, responsibilities, processes, checklists, polices, etc.

For our clients, this is usually done through consulting servicess, but basically I belive this just takes time and practice.

Printing out and looking at https://app.wecomplish.no/overview might be a good place to start here.

## Time and incentives If a team always favours _doing_ work over _documenting_ or _improving_ work, there will never be time nor incentives to manage insight.

Make sure that insight sharing is clearly visible and celebrated within the team on the same level as deliveries in order to slowly but surely build up an insight management culture over time.

Good luck!


👤 TheRealNGenius
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