HACKER Q&A
📣 amichail

Why are people proud of their genes even though they didn’t pick them?


Any insights on this?


  👤 pier25 Accepted Answer ✓
Same reason people are proud of their country, culture, language, religion, etc.

Because humans generally need some sense of belonging. It's in our biological firmware because groups tend to survive longer than individuals.


👤 sinyug
One of the funniest debates on this subject is in the Pilot episode of House MD when House tells Cameron that he hired her because she was extremely pretty.[1]

Cameron: Why did you hire me?

House: Does it matter?

Cameron: Kinda hard to work for a guy who doesn’t respect you.

House: Why?

Cameron: Is that rhetorical?

House: No, it just seems that way because you can’t think of an answer. Does it make a difference why I think I’m a jerk? The only thing that matters is what you think. Can you do the job?

Cameron: You hired a black guy because he had a juvenile record.

House: No, it wasn’t a racial thing, I didn’t see a black guy. I just saw a doctor…with a juvenile record. I hired Chase ‘cause his dad made a phone call. I hired you because you are extremely pretty.

Cameron: You hired me to get into my pants?!

House: I can’t believe that that would shock you. It’s also not what I said. No, I hired you because you look good; it’s like having a nice piece of art in the lobby.

Cameron: I was in the top of my class.

House: But not THE top.

Cameron: I did an internship at the Mayo Clinic.

House: Yes, you were a very good applicant.

Cameron: But not the best?

House: Would that upset you, really, to think that you were hired because of some genetic gift of beauty not some genetic gift of intelligence?

Cameron: I worked very hard to get where I am.

House: But you didn’t have to. People choose the paths that gain them the greatest rewards for the least amount of effort. That’s a law of nature, and you defied it. That’s why I hired you. You could have married rich, could have been a model, you could have just shown up and people would have given you stuff. Lots of stuff, but you didn’t, you worked your stunning little ass off.

Cameron: Am I supposed to be flattered?

[1] https://clinic-duty.livejournal.com/385.html


👤 kazinator
Pride isn't restricted to just one's own accomplishments.

Furthermore, no accomplishments can be entirely separated from genes. Your achievements wouldn't have been possible if you had the genes of a bacterium rather than human genes.

Accomplishments also tend to depended on a mixture of luck and a good starting environment (like not being born into poverty).

Pride is the opposite of humility; and of the two it is humility that is more reasoned.


👤 paxys
Because other people judge you based on your genes.

If you've lived your entire life with people complimenting you on your looks, height, eyes, complexion and rewarding you for them, it's hard not to feel like you've accomplished something.


👤 smt88
Most people can't separate their sense of self from their genetic traits.

If you're smart or tall, for example, that's deeply tied to how people perceive you and your identity.

In some cases, like intelligence, it's easier to justify the pride by saying you worked hard to get it -- even if it's more a function of genes, upbringing, etc.

In other cases, people are happy to have a good quality, and perhaps the unearned "pride" is a flaw that we are all susceptible to.


👤 giantg2
Because receiving the genes is only half the equation.

The other half is passing them on. Having "good" genes makes it more likely to be considered an attractive mate to a larger percentage of potential mates. And just being seen as an attractive mate can positively effect one's status as well as the implicit biases of others.


👤 csdvrx
I'm equally puzzled by how people can feel proud of something they did not achieve personally (ex: the history of their country, the result of their favorite sport team) or food items that are "traditional" while better alternatives exist (ex: I had french friends talking at length about how overroasted/burnt french expresso cafe creme is better than a flat white, or how seedless grapes can't be as good) or even having some health issue (some guys told me they are proud to be bald. ok??)

People seem to derive utility from membership in a social group, or conforming to this group prescriptions ("thou shalt not like Australian coffee???") so I believe this is just an extension at the gene level.


👤 aristofun
Why not? It’s all just a wordplay anyway.

Phrase “im proud of ” means nothing. It how people act that matters. And there is no direct link between being proud and acting in a certain manner… so who cares :)


👤 qnsi
read the book Elephant in the brain by Robin Hanson.

The main thesis of the book is that we are very often not aware of our real reasons for most of our behaviors. Our behaviors are optimised for living in a social group and very often, from the point of view of natural selection, it is useful if we are not consciously aware of our real motivations.

The book is split into two sections. The first, entitled 'Why We Hide Our Motives' includes an introduction to the subjects of animal behaviour, signalling, social norms and self-deception. In the second section, title 'Hidden Motives in Everyday Life' each chapter covers an aspect of human behaviour and describes how it can be explained through the framework of signalling and self-deception outlined in the first section. The chapters in this section cover body language, laughter, conversation, consumption, art, charity, education, medicine, religion and politics.

99% of what people do or say is bullshit it's all competition


👤 newbamboo
“Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”

Why is being proud of anything now acceptable in our society? That’s the better question. Pride will find reasons to justify itself, if you allow it. People are proud of all kinds of outlandish things.


👤 secretsatan
I always thought it was a bit of a coded insult to say someone has `good genes`, as in, they don't have any other redeeming qualities

👤 rootsudo
There's nothing bad to be proud of your genes and your ancestry. You are the end result of all combined evolution and the culture, norms and survival tactics.

People are proud because it is who they are, the media, peers, society in general can twist and turn but in the end, you didn't pick them but your genes became you and are you.


👤 PaulHoule
For the phenotype? (e.g. "I am proud because I am attractive?")

👤 lolsal
If you have "good" genes, presumably you had two parents both with desirable genes. I would imagine the pride comes from being proud of your parents each finding a procreation partner that had "good" genes.

Random chance and mutations are completely ignored of course.


👤 giardini
Because they're still alive despite having those genes?

👤 engineer_22
Why not?