HACKER Q&A
📣 throwawaynay

How do you cope with realizing you mostly wasted your potential?


Today I'm what I would a consider a mediocre software developer(and I'm not good at anything else). I may get harassed by recruiters because of the current state of the market, but I really don't think I'm good at (almost) anything I do. I learned a bit about selling myself but I'm not good.

I feel like I could have done so much more, I had so much potential, objectively(could have skipped like +4 grades if it wasn't for the terrible social consequences it would have caused(my father only accepted that I skip one), IQ higher than 99.8% of people(probably lower now tho), started coding in primary school...)

It's really, really crushing my spirits, when I see people who were really similar to me mentally until a certain age(but unlike me didn't have to live through poverty, extreme violence and in an overall terrible environment(or mental health issues cause by all that)), achieve so, so much more, whether academically, professionally or even in their personal life.

And I read or hear about this kind of people all the time because of the topics I'm interested in or because of the people I know.

I don't think I'd feel that way if I was born average. Weird metaphor, but I feel like I had a winning lottery ticket that was destroyed by the rain in front of my eyes, and there was nothing I could do but watch, and I rarely stop thinking about it.

Does anyone here have a similar experience? How do you cope?


  👤 rednerrus Accepted Answer ✓
There's no such thing as potential. There's just doing. Right now you're not doing what it is you want to be doing.

If you're dissatisfied with where you are, do something different. Get up tomorrow and start down a different path.

I had a half assed job until my mid 30s. I woke up one day and decided I want to do something different. 7 years later and I'm crushing it.

Examine where you are and ask yourself if it's not really where you want to be.


👤 reureu
It's pretty common for gifted kids to wind up with a slew of issues when they get older. It's also pretty well known that "high achievers" often have a lot of leg ups that other people don't have -- or, stated another way, that poverty, child abuse, and other social determinants objectively hold back many very talented people. I'm sorry that you've gone through this, but also know that you are not alone.

One of the themes from "Hamilton" is "who tells your story?" This sparked a surprising amount of reflection and struggle for me, that ended with me realizing that, like most people, nobody will tell my story. Our lives are ultimately ephemeral, and I'm ok with that. In a lot of ways, it's a total relief to completely let go of the notion of a "legacy" and instead focus on doing things for my own enjoyment.

So, if I'm not worrying about my legacy, then I'm also not worrying about my success and potential. I need to make enough money to live and to support things that I enjoy, but I don't really need more than that. Nobody needs to make 500k/yr. And, frankly, very few people need to make 150k/yr. You can live off less, and the lower paying jobs are often the ones that have higher impact or more interesting work or better work/life balance.

There are TONS of non-profits, academic labs, and governments that would kill for a "mediocre" software developer to solve some pretty basic problems for them. As fancy as blockchain, VR, AI, whatever is, it's really not what's impacting people's lives today. I literally had a phone call at work today about setting up a git repo for a researcher so they could track changes to their analysis code. They literally don't know how to do that, and I added value to their lives and to this research project by clicking a button in GitHub. I'll go further out on a limb, and say that creating a git repo impacted their lives more than Tesla's self-driving cars or Apple's VR headset or Facebook's metaverse will for years to come. And they were actually thankful for my help... which is a relief from some of the toxic startup environments I've worked in before.

I guess, to borrow your metaphor, how do you know your winning lottery ticket was for something you even wanted? Maybe you won a lifetime supply of lutefisk, and you let the ticket melt away. But who cares? Stop thinking about the lutefisk, and instead go dancing in the rain. There's so many cool things out in the world.


👤 thanatos519
It is never too late to be what you might have been. — George Eliot

You can't do anything about the past, but you can do something about the future. I can't begin to tell you how much potential I have squandered, but I'm making the best of my remaining time. Don't limit yourself!


👤 annie_muss
Let me start by saying I feel exactly the same way as you.

I had a great start in life and then couldn't follow through. In my twenties I had a string of jobs, each lasting less than 6 months. I got diagnosed with ADHD at the start of my thirties. It explains a lot.

Now I'm stuck watching my former classmates with their successful careers while I try to scrape together $400 for rent. Staff engineers at Google, CTOs of companies and so on. They likely make more in a year than I'll make in my lifetime. It feels bad.

I think a lot of advice on this topic will focus on how to get successful. How to get the job. How to get the house. I think that's the wrong way to go about it. Focus on the small things you already have, however tiny. Actively seeking out the joy in the mundane, everyday things is a great start (and however much money and success you have, your everyday life is usually quite mundane).


👤 kgin
Listen, you are being overly harsh on yourself.

You say that your intelligence was “given” to you, like a gift. But then you turn around and say the parts of you that made choices that didn’t result in the life you compare yourself to… those parts you say are 100% your fault. You’re saying your positive qualities are from the outside, but your negative qualities are all you. You’re not being fair to yourself.

We make choices, yes. You can choose to take job A instead of job B. But you can’t choose to be the kind of person who chooses job A instead of job B. Or if you can, you can’t choose to be the kind person who chooses to be the kind of person who chooses job A. At some level, there is something that you don’t choose. It just is. It’s not “choices all the way down”.

This powerful feeling inside you right now is a gift, as awful as it feels. You can, if you want, channel it into the energy you’ll need to confront the things that held you back. Change takes incredible amounts of energy and this feeling combusting inside you might be enough to nudge you in a different direction. Or if you want, you can sublimate that energy and apply it to something like helping bright kids growing up in tough circumstances. You may not be the elite 10x graybeard you imagined, but you probably know better than anyone how to help kids who are growing up like you did. Or you may take that energy and channel it into something totally different.

The way you get past the regret is to use this fire for something. But please, please do not take this fire and turn it on yourself like a blowtorch. Don’t use it to beat yourself and make yourself more timid and more afraid and more hobbled by your past.

You’re going to be ok.


👤 coreten
IQ isn't the only factor. Actually - beyond a certain threshold it doesn't add much. Happiness, success - a huge part of it is mindset, and having the mental/emotional resilience to start again and again after failure.

However, growing up in a harsh environment does more damage than you can perceive. You can be the smartest person in the world, but if you have limiting beliefs, unprocessed/unhealed trauma stemming from bad experiences early in your life, it will be more difficult for you to achieve/go further. But this in itself is a unique gift in a way - not everyone has the opportunity to truly develop one's inner strength and grit through this kind of life experience. I'd say the majority of the world's truly successful/influential people did not grow up with silver spoons in their mouth, but developed character through tests of adversity.

In the end, the power lies within you. You decide your life through making choices. You can decide for yourself who you want to be and who you want to become.

You can decide to not let the past affect your future, to see it as a gift (or you can chose to use it as an excuse to avoid making the neccesary changes you need...)

You can decide to start healing, to start working on your limiting beliefs, and get support (or you can make the choice to continue to be held back by the unhealed parts of yourself ...)

You can decide to adopt mindsets and perspectives that empower you (or you can choose to do nothing, and stay stagnant. Often it's the easier and lazier choice).

Take this as an opportunity to re-write your story and to shift your perspective. Show some gratitude for yourself for overcoming so much already. Sometimes it might not seem like it, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel, though the tunnel may be long - so remember to always be kind to yourself. There will be brighter days ahead :)


👤 akkartik
My wife says my pep talks always have the opposite effect. So if this doesn't work for you, just go read another comment. But it works for me.

The way I stopped worrying about wasting my potential was when I realized I still had potential -- and I wasn't done wasting it. That realization helps me stop and smell the roses, slow dance with my baby, listen to "7 years" by Lukas Graham.

Yes, what you get out depends on what you put in. But it also depends on luck, a million factors out of your control. And on not putting so much pressure on yourself. No matter what you achieve, death comes eventually to limit your upside anyway. So relax, do something fun. Then maybe you'll be like Feynman with the spinning plates (https://www.asc.ohio-state.edu/kilcup.1/262/feynman.html). Or not.


👤 Minor49er
Everyone's lives are different and hindsight is always 20/20. If you're comparing yourself to others and feeling like you're falling behind in some way, think about what it is that you want to achieve, understand why you want to achieve it, and go after it sensibly.

👤 PaulHoule
I have a high IQ, got bullied in elementary school, was sexually invisible in high school on college. Went to grad school, did not fit in at all. Worked a lot of random jobs in the software industry, local and remote.

I am working at the uni again as a software dev, I like the team I am in, I like having an office that overlooks a baseball field.

I had the goal of charming a group of grad students on my floor and thought I would have a hard time explaining myself having bombed out of the academic track.

What amazed me was that most of them felt afraid of being bound by the decisions they have made and aren’t sure if they can or want to follow the professor route. They were really inspired that I was able to do all those random things over a long period of time, work for startups, work for big cos, do maintainance programming, make a neural network search engine before neural networks were cool, etc.

I started seeing that my career went in a straight line and I was getting very positive results.

Now there was a postdoc that I wound up anti-charming and I let the evil come out, I told a story that combined five lines that were interwoven about my personal suffering, the suffering of a well known person in my field, not feeling safe to raise issues with the methodologies we were using, thousands of bad papers written, a community that is just getting to grips with this.

I hurt him pretty bad and he hasn’t talked to me since. I wanted to apologize to him but he left the country. I wasn’t able to ensorcell anybody at all for a long time because I felt guilty.

I am now looking at problems that date back to feelings of hostility I have that came on right when I entered high school that are screwing me up still today. I am working super hard to get better results but if I don’t fix those feelings I am going to get effects like I had with that postdoc.

That bums me out pretty badly. But I want to change. A war against hostility sounds like an oxymoron but it is what I am up against. I know if I can beat it I can get what I want.


👤 flippinburgers
You need to find a way to give yourself enough space to find something to pursue. That can be very difficult depending on your situation. It doesn't help, I find, that distraction is easier and easier to fall into in this day and age.

Skipping grades doesn't really matter, I think. You need to do your best to dedicate yourself to a path. If the potential is about financial success, you are just going to have to study and interview until you get a higher paying job.

I say this because I am in a similar boat in terms of feeling like my life has been wasted (in this case by me) and, yes, it sucks. Do keep in mind that the people who "succeed" are the ones we will typically hear about on HN. So ... there is a lot of unspoken failure out there.


👤 me_me_mu_mu
I pretty much gave up trying to chase something, instead I will experience life and maybe the good things will come. I figure I'm 30 and I'm finding that since I'm quite mediocre at things compared to the people I compare myself to, I am just gonna appreciate that I'm healthy enough, and I have a 6 month runway in cash if things were to go from $current_speed to 0.

So.. there's tomorrow hopefully so just gonna keep doing what makes me happy. Last time things went to 0, I had enough saved up for a month or two to change careers into tech. If it happens again I have at least a bit more breathing room.


👤 syntheweave
It's all a relative thing. If I visit the park and watch the ravens, I can see this. Ravens are pretty smart, but their lives are simple. If something bothers them, they don't have to negotiate or fight, they can just fly away from it. Nature is not asking them to be "30 under 30" or "award-winning". That's a feeling you get from seeing other people be praised for their efforts.

If you can feel OK with yourself just living and surviving, that is the first step to doing something more ambitious, because it takes some pressure off: "oh, but even if I fail at this, I will still have a warm bed and food" should be enough to feel confident. Getting it in your head that you need to conquer the world is actually rather poisonous because it makes you chase after the same things as everyone else. You are most likely too smart for that, and see downsides in terms of life balance that make you hesitate and stay beneath the radar. Other people are less smart and more persistent, more willing to put up with the repetition, begging and borrowing needed to achieve that particular form of success. Smarts are just a way of solving a problem after you have been motivated to work on it.


👤 RoddaWallPro
If you grew up in poverty & violence & a terrible environment, then your brain is going to work in different ways than someone who wasn't raised in that env. That's the bad news. The good news is that there are professional counselors (who hopefully as a software developer, you/your insurance can afford) who have dedicated themselves to helping clients understand the sub-optimal ways brains can operate, and work with those clients to figure out better ways of thinking and living.

I started seeing one about 4 months ago, as I also grew up in a fairly physically & emotionally violent environment and finally realized I cannot undo the effects of that upbringing without serious professional help. The info & wisdom my counselor has given me has been like turning on a light bulb in a room that illuminates new colors I didn't even know were there. I'm not sure how else to describe it. I have a much better ability to examine the state of my mind and emotions and body and motivations, in a way I didn't even know was possible 4 months ago. I cannot recommend enough seeing one. You don't know what you don't know.

I hope you find peace & purpose, whatever you end up doing!


👤 whatsakandr
I have felt the same way. You play the hand you're dealt in life. "Wasted potential" is just regretting your past circumstances and blaming yourself for them. But you are not to blame. If you want to "not waste" your "potential", start studying something you think is worth studying. You might find you enjoy it, and want to work more on it. You might not. When I did that. I realized I just wanted to play video games and hang out with my wife. So am I wasting my potential? Just focus on living a life you're proud of. Who gives a shit if you're mentally capable of doing higher level stuff, you might not be emotionally capable. Value your mental health over any "accomplishments" in society.

👤 kleer001
> How do you cope?

Focus on the future, be grateful for your one precious human life. Get off social media. Exercize.


👤 lookalike74
Learn more about being grateful for what you have and selling yourself won't be such a chore

👤 soc340
I feel the exact same way. I'm a computer science student at Stanford. I only decided to study CS in first year of college, since it seemed like a safe bet to good money and I enjoyed math.

2 years later, I'm just an average CS student working at big tech. I don't particularly find my work fulfilling and I don't impress anyone.

Every day I question whether I made the right decision to study CS and become an engineer. Like you, I know I'm smarter than the vast majority of people and I was an academic talent when I was little (through high school).

I don't know what I'm doing with my life.


👤 prirun
Here's something that helps me not have regrets:

Most of the time, people assume that if they had zigged instead of zagged, things would have turned out much better. But we don't know that, do we? Maybe if we had zagged, things would be worse.

So while I do have some regrets, mostly about things I didn't do out of fear, carrying deep regrets that make us feel like failures is really a waste of time. You don't know it would have been better if you had made different decisions. Just make the best decisions you can at the time you make them.


👤 BMc2020
I suggest you go to a medical doctor and get a complete physical. Eliminating organic disease is always a pre-requisite.

When the doctor asks if there's anything else, show them this note and say, "I want to find out what's wrong with me."

Thanks to Dr. Todd Grande, we know IQ is only about 4% of personality. So, absent an underlying medical condition, it's a problem with your personality. That's one of those things that's almost impossible to identify in yourself but is much easier for an outside observer.

Go see a real human doctor.


👤 tanseydavid
You can't improve your past but the sooner you let go of it the more likely you are to see other opportunities -- in the now.

Your closing question was "How do you cope?" and I do think that your primary challenge at the moment is to work on changing the way you (habitually) think about the situation.


👤 nokya
Kindly allow me to share my experience with you.

I grew up being told almost every day that I was special, smarter, and destined for great things. At school, I always aced every exam possible. In my mind, teachers could only give me A+ or F, there were no other grades, whatever the matter: math, history, English, phys-ed, etc. But outside school, I always felt average: neither attractive nor ugly, neither talkative nor shy, neither stupid nor smart.

Then came high school, and this decisive moment when I was supposed to know what I wanted to do. Some wanted to be doctors, I thought I was not capable of becoming a doctor. Others wanted to be lawyers, but I was never attracted to that world. Science? I didn't realize I could have chosen engineering, or some STEM faculty, I just didn't think of it. Nobody told me I could go there either. I studied economics, it wasn't hard but I felt outrageously bored. Year 2000 came, I noticed people could earn good money doing websites, so I bought some books and gave it a try. From that moment, IT jobs came one after another: always well paid, somehow interesting. I was never bad at them, nor brilliant. Years passed rapidly.

When I think about it: no one ever told me how to be successful or useful. And no one "pushed" me under the train to something big. Maybe this could be your issue? I often envied those who get it, who actually "do something" with their life. I never solved this problem. I even tried volunteering: serving soup at christmas, spending time with children in hospitals, becoming a monitor during summer camps for socially disfavored children, tutoring students with their homework, I always had the same answer: "you're too late, we don't need more people".

I noticed a lot of people around me, especially at work, always get things taught, coached, mentored, etc. I never landed a job where my manager just dropped me into some training or certification course. I always had to figure out things by myself. One time after I was named manager, my boss refused to pay me some training. A few months later, a colleague was promoted to the same position, he ended up in a 3 weeks leadership/management program, all paid by the company. I asked my boss why i didn't the training, her answer was simply that she didn't think I needed training.

I often get invited to speak at conferences, I even was invited as a keynote speaker. I refuse. I am not scared of speaking in public, I just don't have nothing particularly interesting to tell.

Starting your life being told you are "special", "smarter", or whatsoever puts a lot of pressure. For more than 30 years, I think my parent's way of telling me they believe in me just made me feel like a complete failure, and prevented me from ever feeling happy with who/what I am. I do nothing very well, I am not very intelligent, it often takes me more time than others to understand all the intricacies of a social situation. In society, I struggle when I must interact with fake, selfish or imposters (and there are many).

One day, I realized I was "mediocre". My parents are/were even more mediocre than I think I am and my hypothesis is that they saw me as smart because they were mediocre. This realization freed me. I started forgiving myself and became more benevolent towards others. Being told you are a "10" and feeling like you are a "5" is agony. Realizing you are a "5" and feeling you may live as a "6" made me see life completely differently, and much more positively.

All things considered, it appears I do well enough for a few people to thing I am worth their consideration, their attention, sometimes even their friendship, and ultimately, their love. I have good friends, I love my family, I love my wife and every minute I spend with her. I have a respectable job, a nice boss, nice colleagues, etc. Since I accepted my "fate", I generally feel much happier in my life.

I sometimes have bad thoughts about my wife: I feel sorry for her. She is beautiful, smart, independent, funny, clumsy in a lovable way, interesting. She is clearly above my rank in most aspects. But she doesn't seem to notice that she could do much better than "me". Along with the mystery of how to do something with my life, I guess her living with me is the second big enigma in my life. But apart from this, all is going well.

I noticed that once you start looking at the "grand picture", whatever the potential you reached or the "productivity" you achieved throughout your life, everyone of us ends up exactly the same way: dead. I calculated that I have ~2'000 weeks (assuming I die old) left to live. It's my countdown, it is brutally honest but honestly, why should I care about being successful when I only have 2'000 weeks left before I die?

My advice: just try exploiting your potential so that you can live with dignity and healthily. If you can provide shelter, clothes, food to the people you love, if you can resort to violence when it is ultimately necessary, and you can afford to spend some quality time with the people you love, well, in my very insignificant opinion, I would see you as a highly successful individual.

If you find the way to make other people's lives better without sacrificing yourself or the ones you love, then, yeah, why not. Otherwise, just enjoy the ride. I honestly do not thing life is worth torturing yourself about whether or not you accomplished something.

Those are my 2 cents. If only 1 sentence of my experience can improve your opinion about yourself or your life, then I will consider this day as a successful day :)

take care.


👤 aappleby
A couple of years ago I decided that I needed to work on a significant project that would occupy me for the rest of my life, plus or minus a few decades.

So I did.


👤 t-3
Hey, at least you have a decent job and probably no need to worry about the future. You could have done much worse.

👤 lookalike74
Learning to be more grateful for what you have will make selling yourself much easier.

👤 3d9iEId0olek
This feels a little close to home, although in different ways.

I can't say I feel exactly the same. I had a good home growing up mostly (although suffered abuse by those outside the home, in the sense that people went to prison), good family, and have done well in some fundamental ways. But later in my career I ran into some serious problems working in a pretty bad place, and people (friends, colleagues, family) blew me off when I was basically pleading for help (mostly because I had been doing so well before then and I think they figured I had nothing to worry about?). The short version is that the environment became abusive and dysfunctional (I see reports of similar institutions' management getting fired very publicly for behaving the same way) and I probably didn't respond to it well. I could get into ways in which I would have responded differently now, but part of my conflict is I'm not sure if it would have actually been better. I see my friends in places they probably should be, doing well, and know I could be in the same sort of places but screwed up, not taking advantages I had. I end up feeling like a failure for not doing things that now seem obvious in hindsight, but also am kind of aware of the circumstances and how different they were from those of people I know, and know some of them would have reacted the same. Most of the time I go back and forth between being hating myself, angry at others for not being helpful at a critical time, angry at society for being so superficial in not recognizing these things, and not being more understanding and seeing potential with second chances. I have trouble sleeping most nights because of it.

I'm not sure I have a lot of advice to offer because I feel lost myself. But you're not alone.

I do think it's worthwhile to think about what you would have liked to do and why, and to figure out what steps it would take to happen. Even if you can reclaim some part of that, wouldn't that be better? Start another degree, or reach out to some researchers to see if they need help, or write that book or start the blog, or make a prototype app or whatever it is. I have no idea because I don't know what it is you'd want.

I do think it's important not to get into the success trap. I know some people who are objectively very successful at what they do, but who have been very unhappy personally, or who got there through questionable means. Part of my current circumstance is because I was tired of the corruption around me, and wanted out. So it's better to think about what you would like to be different, what would bring you reward, rather than what would bring you success per se. I think people can be kind of cliched about that and unhelpful, as if success shouldn't matter, and that's not necessarily what I mean. I just mean I think it's as important to think about what you would like to be spending your time doing as it is to think about achievements.

I don't know. I wish I had answers myself. Life is more unfair than society recognizes, and I'm tired of people who say that being treated as if it's just sour grapes. People get a raw deal sometimes, period.


👤 adingus
If you were so smart and gifted then why did you sit on your butt for so long? Maybe there was no potential to waste. But the best time to start is now, or else you might die wondering what you could have done.

👤 garyfirestorm
past remains in past. You can only control present and plan future. You can start living up to your potential starting tomorrow.

👤 nnoitra
How old are you now?

👤 NiagaraThistle
TLDR: It is never too late to live up to your perceived potential. Let go of the past, decide what potential you want to live up to, and start making small decisions today to achieve that potential.

I'm sure this will be an unpopular opinion, but it really is in the same vein as what a lot of other commenters are saying here: Stop dwelling on your past. If you really are intelligent and have any sense of drive and desire left in you, stop blaming the things in your past for your "lost potential". Unless you are still in those situations and they truly are stopping you from PHYSICALLY making decisions to get out of those situations, the only one holding you back now is you.

My life was pretty easy growing up so I can not relate to your past and my heart breaks that you had to endure such hardships - no one deserves that. You didn't deserve that.

What I do draw from as evidence that potential is never wasted because of a hard background are my father and maternal grandfather.

My grandfather grew up poorest of the poor in rural US after the depression and had nothing, no money, and couldn't go to school. At 40 years old, after a stint as a Merchant Marine and years of odd jobs with a wife and 9 kids, he went out to home construction sites and asked to work on the sites for FREE to learn the various trades. As he learned to build houses, he built a home and restaurant for his family and my grandmother ran the restaurant successfully almost for 60 years until her death at 93. When my grandfather died in his 80's he was a multi-millionaire.

My father's story isn't as "glamorous" but has more connections to your own story. He grew up in a poor neighborhood with other poor families living in multi-family housing. His parents were heavy drinkers and in-and-out of work, and his father and brother were in and out of jail. When he was young, he seldom had shoes or clothes that fit, he'd have to avoid fights on his way to and from school, and certain teachers and people indifferent neighborhoods would discriminate against him because of his family and their religion. The one thing he was able to cling to during his youth was soccer and even though he did not become the pro he dreamed of, it helped him to avoid the life he otherwise might have fallen into.

As he grew up he saw the writing on the wall and did not want to let the circumstances of his upbringing dictate his future. He moved to the US in his 20's, met my mother and had 3 children. He spent much of my youth coaching soccer at the local and college level. He worked every day to provide for his family, purchased a house he never could have dreamed of as a child, and for all accounts has reached a level of success and happiness that his child self could only have dreamed about.

Both my grandfather and father told me independently that our past makes us who we are but does not dictate what we are capable of.

It is never too late to live up to your perceived potential. Let go of the past, decide what potential you want to live up to, and start making small decisions today to achieve that potential.

CAVEAT: Depending on your past and the trauma you still carry from it, it might be vitally important that you seek therapy or someone else to talk to to help you move beyond it. The baggage we carry, even though we were strong enough to get through it, stays with us. Sometimes we need assistance dealing with so we can clear our mind and soul enough to overcome it.

Good luck. I hope there is still a lot of time for you to achieve your potential.