HACKER Q&A
📣 encryptluks2

What Has Happened to Twitter?


In the last few months Twitter has went from letting you browse the site without signing in, to now prompting you to sign in to do pretty much anything. Even something as simple as scrolling down with my mousewheel in Twitter prompts me to sign in. This also happens with official government communication pages. I thought courts already decided in the US that the public has a right to access official government communications on social media. When requiring users to sign in and agree to the companies terms, wouldn't this be considered a form of preventing access to those communications?


  👤 3pt14159 Accepted Answer ✓
I fixed my twitter feed by unfollowing anyone the first time something they did resulted in me being upset. Even if it was a like. It's just not worth it. For about a year or two my feed was great.

Then the topics started coming in. First it was infosec and cybersecurity and they were fine for a bit so I tolerated it. But then it turned into just a bunch of hot women saying basically nothing. If before it was some random person talking about finding a bug in X with a fuzzer, next it was someone talking about completely non-technical things like graduating from a university and starting a career in cybersecurity. Later it of course turned into culture war nonsense. So I unsubscribed. I could reasonably see this being a foreign influence campaign it was such an obvious slide from sometimes useful to total nonsense.

Then Twitter started flooding my account with topics and "based on your interests" and of course the feed turned to garbage again and I had to manually unsubscribe from all of them.

Twitter. Please. I'm begging you. I follow arms control people, software people, and government accounts. I've got this figured out. Please leave me alone I was happy.

Edit:

I forgot about the inability to turn of "[Somebody you follow] follows" tweets. Can I disable these? Doesn't appear like I can.


👤 alkonaut
There are two reasonable ways of using twitter

1) on a third party client like Tweetbot which just shows exactly the tweets of those you follow, in order, and nothing else. Nothing promoted, no ads, no trending keywords

2) Not at all

I have no idea why anyone would want to use the official Twitter app or the twitter dot com web site. Once you have used a third party client (which behaves like the original Twitter!) you won’t go back.

Granted, you need an account to use a third party client so the no-login thing is obviously not working there either, but at least you are protected from the constant front end churn in the official clients. This is just one such example.


👤 YEwSdObPQT
I am not sure what happend to twitter. However if you just want to browser twitter you can use a nitter instance (there are quite a few public instances).

https://github.com/zedeus/nitter

I use browser plugin that redirects me to nitter when clicking a twitter link.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nitter-redirect/mo...


👤 dragonwriter
> I thought courts already decided in the US that the public has a right to access official government communications on social media.

They have not.

They have ruled that when a government actor uses social media for official communication, the government actor involved cannot also restrict access to and interaction with that content in ways that they would be prohibit from limiting access to official government communications not made on a private platform (e.g., by engaging in viewpoint discrimination), applying the limited public forum doctrine which is much older than the web.


👤 pjc50
> I thought courts already decided in the US that the public has a right to access official government communications on social media

[citation needed]

Twitter is kind of disintegrating, though. They've hit a growth plateau, the users are really fractious, management doesn't understand what they want out of it, and it's the venue for social strife.


👤 samwillis
I assume new CEO, new strategy.

Twitters profitability has always been a contentious issue, they launched their first subscription service (Twitter Blue) last year. My assumption is that they are potentially trying to move towards a more subscription based revenue model. The push back against ads is only going to get stronger and maybe they are trying to get ahead of the curve.

On top of that with GDPR and all the inevitable legislation that's coming, having people "registered" ensures that they have accepted Ts&Cs and can be tracked legally for advertising purposes. Maybe they anticipate not being able to run (particularly) profitable ads for unregistered users.

Finally, with the new CEO he probably wants a quick win on metrics, this could push more registrations, good news to report to the board.


👤 codingdave
> the public has a right to access official government communications on social media.

IANAL, but I do work in the public sector and my customers do have to make data public. This does not mean that anywhere they choose to post links to documents has to help out. It means they need their own site to post documents. It also can mean that documents are offline, but FOIA-able. Frankly, in the small town that I live in, some documents are still tacked to a bulletin board in the park.

So yes, documents have to be public, but no, it is not the responsibility of Twitter to ensure those regulations are met.

That being said, I do agree that Twitter is making "interesting" choices. Just not illegal ones.


👤 kybernetyk
On my machines twitter got blocked. That's what happened to twitter. At least for me.

It's a terrible website. Character limit leads to terribly shallow discussions that still need to be split into multiple posts. It's a dumb medium of exchange.


👤 greenyoda
The "uBlock Origin" browser extension blocks Twitter's login prompt and enables you to read posts without logging in.

👤 p4bl0
Just in case some of you don't know about it yet, you can browser Twitter without logging in using a nitter instance (e.g., https://nitter.net/). The url are the same just replace "twitter.com" with the nitter instance URL. The interface is clean and smooth, and makes twitter links actually sharable with anyone.

👤 stevenicr
"courts already decided in the US that the public has a right to access official government communications on social media." - I'd like to know more about this.

I have been bothered often when finding that city council members (and others) use facebook to put info out there, and I refuse to use fbook on most days of the year, and who knows what fbook is doing with the feed/timeline or whatever they call it so I may miss what council person posted while I get distracted by the half-truth politic meme aunt B posted..

Am wanting to find some leverage to force gov stuff to be at least cross posted to a web site, even a wordpress.com or something with an rss so I can actually get notices about whats happening rather than reading later or hearing from someone about what happened (too late to add to discussions)

So, any court case stuff, I'd love to know more about. I thought of showing politicians how to cross post, or start a petition demanding easier access to info.. but I feel those would be feeble attempts to get nothing done compared to a court thing or some new fed regulation or something.


👤 midrus
I loved Twitter when it was about reading tweets and retweets from people I followed. I don't follow many people/companies, just around 30 or so in total, most of them are either people I know in person or popular companies or products.

Nowadays my feed is a total mess of ads, things somebody liked, things some others follow, uninteresting recommendations, random topics and a lot of bullshit I don't care and are just noise to me.

I already deleted facebook several years ago and not missing it any single bit. I think my twitter account is following the same destiny pretty soon.


👤 zaptheimpaler
Investors pushed in a new CEO/management to optimize for profit per user now that the days of never-ending user growth in social media are over.

In growth mode, investors hand out free candy to companies, companies hand out free candy to you. In consolidation mode, investors want their candy (+ returns) back, so companies start taking away your candy until they determine the minimum users will accept. Many such cases.


👤 mootzville
Twitter...official government communications?

You would be better served accessing official government communications via .gov sites. This is their purpose.

If you want official bot communications from troll farms, then Twitter is the best!


👤 yung_steezy
I switched from twitter to Mastodon recently. It isn't a perfect replacement since the network effect keeps user counts low but I've found it generally scratches the same itch.

👤 spaetzleesser
Government communications really should not be be on Twitter or Facebook. There should be a central site where different agencies can put their announcements. If you don’t have to do advertising and satisfy investors I don’t think such a thing would be very expensive to create and operate.

👤 1_player
You can read directly linked tweets or the first few posts of a Twitter page but as soon as you interact with the page or try to navigate elsewhere, you get prompted for a login.

So technically they're not preventing access, but they nag you incessantly after you've scrolled past the fold.


👤 badrabbit
They need contests, lotteries and the ability to offer services. They are struggling to grow and monetize. Twitter is a public venue, they need to give people what they want. It's the modern bazaar market except they are not letting people exchange goods and services. Imagine tweeting a pic of something you want to sell and someone pays you (like venmo,cashapp and all) to your handle. Escrow, reputation,etc... managed by twitter.

Imagine donald trump being able to sell his funny red hats to his angry followers. Or the powerball lottery except they buy from twitter and its open to the planet!

I am just saying, they have the money, the tech to get around legalities and the lawyers to skirt it exist.

Either way, to answer the question: new boss. @Jack left.


👤 g105b
I could not solve Twitter, whether I used a third-party app, a separate account, or browser extensions.

The solution I came to has genuinely brought joy into my daily life: delete my account completely, and don't look back.

I highly recommend it!


👤 jarbus
Plugging my fe-alts repo [1], a way to launch your own instances of alternative website front-ends. Includes nitter (twitter) invidious (youtube) bibliogram (instagram) scribe (medium) and teddit (reddit). You can launch and configure them all with a single docker-compose, and since they are your own instances, there are no rate limits. They also support RSS.

My life has substantially improved once I replaced default front-ends

[1] https://github.com/jarbus/fe-alts


👤 ninesnines
I use science twitter and, although I love the community for learning about new programs, fellowships, etc., I have noticed the the twitter alogrithm has been directing me to a lot of more negative science content. I will keep my twitter, but am really going to try to cognizant how when and how much I use it because I notice it gives me quite a negative feeling after being on it.

👤 hs86
They also changed how it loads new tweets for logged-in users. Now it shows something like "Show 36 Tweets" and jumps back to the top of the timeline by clicking on it.

They crippled Twitter on the web with these changes because going back to the old position on my timeline has become too tedious. Consequently, I spent less time on Twitter.


👤 kar1181
I unfollow / mute or move to a 'news and politics' list anyone saying anyting political more than 3 times in a frame of time I notice.

That has been transformative for my enjoyment of the 'main feed'. That and sorting by recent - even if you have to keep re-toggling it.


👤 ajolly
Is there a Twitter client out there that uses lists, but also lets me dismiss red tweets? I'd like to be able to more easily remove stuff I've already seen, and ideally save tweets for future reference.

I used to use outwit (Twitter being fed into Outlook) for this.


👤 0des
Eventually you must produce income in earnest, which is something twitter has been avoiding as it provides and intimate look into their ability to do so. When you're a startup its okay to be "pre revenue", because once you separate entirely from the VC teat and make a sincere effort to subsist you're forced to sink or swim on your own instincts and that doesn't always pan out and the music stops. These are things that influence KPI data points to bolster or justify a value of twitter itself both to potential suitors but also to investors.

Expect an acquisition soon, or transition of management and ownership structure


👤 ivraatiems
I posted this in a previous thread. here's some ublock origin filters to restore Twitter to logged-out usability:

https://pastebin.com/U9rpcCuq


👤 Freskis
It's despicable behavior isn't it?

There's a "normalization" that it's acceptable for companies such as Reddit, Twitter, Facebook etc to enourage the world to post information on their website, and then block access to casual visitors once they got successful.

It's ABHORRENT FILTH and morally grotesque. They are causing human misery every day by deciding certain people are [outgroup] and do not have the same rights as logged-in users [ingroup].

Reddit, Twitter and Facebook are psychopath companies, and anyone working for them is part of the "ingroup vs outgroup" degradation of society.


👤 ransom1538
I know someone that is high up there. Basically, twitter has struggled to get their ad cost per impression as high as FB or Google. They have ad placement volume but they are not worth anything due to the fact people are signed out. Google does ok with logged out users since the user is searching for something - and ads can be related to that. To make the real money twitter needs age,sex,geo on every impression. Twitter has learned there isn't much point serving pages where they can't monetize it.

👤 weissbier
I worked around these annoyances with simply blocking all twitter.com cookies. If you don't have an account, this shouldn't be an issue anyway.

Read it somewhere (maybe HN) and it worked quite well.


👤 tasha0663
Every single time I touch Twitter I get this pop up explaining the stupid NFT avatars. I just want to avoid it completely now rather than reach through that layer of grime every time.

👤 HWR_14
Regarding the official government communications/ court order, that was about the politicians, not Twitter. That is, if the politician was using it for official business, they couldn't block people on Twitter. It in no way obligated twitter to host the content. They wanted to, for business reasons. But they could shut down tomorrow (or kick off every elected official and government agency) and be within their legal rights.

Except for the shareholder lawsuit of course.


👤 robobro
I want to follow up on all the Mastodon remarks here to also consider trying Pleroma. It's also ActivityPub but much lighter and with more features!

👤 ubermonkey
I only interact with Twitter via Tweetbot, so I don't see any of these weird things you describe. I see ONLY the accounts I follow.

👤 pengo
Tweetdeck's filters have given me manageable Twitter feeds (I have multiple accounts for different purposes), but I see "The New Tweetdeck" removes these. When that's out of beta I guess I'll need to find a third party app. When I have to log into Twitter itself I'm appalled; I couldn't contemplate using it.

👤 irthomasthomas
I thought twitter was OK as a link sharing site. But the idea that people would try and fit their entire message in to a a few words was just crazy to me. Literraly limiting the ideas you can communicate to those which fit in to a sentence or two.

👤 keb_
I've added code to my RSS reader to rewrite Twitter links as Nitter links instead. No sign in necessary.

https://nitter.net


👤 masklinn
Fwiw there’s a limited workaround for the issue: if you open things in new tabs twitter does not quora the content you were trying to access.

It’s a pain in the ass though.


👤 floatingatoll
It could be considered such, if you file a lawsuit. No one else seems to be, so until it reaches a judge, I don’t know if you’ll see any response.

👤 AlphaSquared
I'm in Pakistan and on the rare occasions I browse Twitter I mostly see anti Pakistan propaganda by Indians and not much else.

Same is the story with Quora.


👤 vagab0nd
I subscribe to all my Twitter followings via Feedly as RSSs. It's a paid service but it's the best one I paid for in a while.

👤 WFHRenaissance
The Based on your likes: and X liked: sections are becoming way too common in my feed. It's getting annoying.

👤 ChrisArchitect
186+ upvotes for a complaint that isn't a thing. Tweet timelines aren't blocked behind logins. Can scroll endlessly

👤 rvz
Twitter is doing private platform things.

👤 dynamohk
DNS block twitter, news and all other social. Give it a week and you will probably feel much better mentally.

👤 ChrisArchitect
It scrolls endlessly without having to log in, what are you talking about.

👤 pc86
I added two extensions that made Twitter 10x better: 1) Minimal Twitter, 2) Bot Sentinel.

Minimal Twitter lets me disable all advertisements, all topics, have a chronological feed, etc. Each of these things is individually toggleable so if you want topics but want to get rid of everything else, you can. It also makes the UI much better.

Bot Sentinel makes it easy for me to unfollow people who are constantly liking, retweeting, or replying to disruptive/misinformation accounts, or when they themselves drift into that area. It's not perfect. Completely normal, kind accounts who happen to be politically active and on the more conservative side will often have a higher disruption/bot score despite never doing anything disruptive themselves. I assume it's some NLP algo in the background lumping them in with the crazy misinfo bots based on some words in their tweets but really who knows.


👤 ctdonath
Consider Twitter as a Shiri's Scissor: https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/10/30/sort-by-controversial/

👤 peanut_worm
New management

👤 nunez
thank god for nitter

👤 ElectronShak
What Has Happened to Twitter?

Answer: They hired a "ruthless" product manager, who believes in things like "we should do things that are good for Twitter, but not necessarily good for the world", and probably wants to be remembered as the PM who took the route that no one was willing to take. (S)he has the data to backup these decisions, like some analytics dashboard that shows very many unauthenticated users browsing twitter. Also wears a tough face in meetings.

/s


👤 syshum
Disable cookies for the site and you can browse all you want

On Android the only browser I have found to do this is brave

on Desktop I think all of them but I use Firefox, and just disable all cookies for Twitter.


👤 TekMol
I think this is one reason why "web3", social media with a decentralized storage layer, could become a thing.

As a user, when I tweet something, I do want the whole world to be able to read it. Without logging in. Ideally via the interface of their choice.

Orbis is a proof of concept:

https://orbis.club/

A Twitter clone that stores the tweets on Arweave.


👤 charcircuit
Making a Twitter account takes less than a minute to do and is free. It's not a big deal.

Edit: I'm not seeing the issue in an incognito tab.