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📣 neom

My tattoo artist made comment about the Covid vaccine that confused me


I've been getting some of my sleeve expanded and I was in session yesterday, after a couple of hours I said it's crazy how little I'm bleeding on this one, and the tattoo artist said "yah, since the vaccine people don't bleed the same way anymore" and shrugged. I couldn't ask anything else about it because I got a pit in my stomach and waited till the end of the session and then dove in, the artist is young college age and has a group with other young tattoo artist, and they were laughing in it about how accurately they can nail how many doses people have had and when (including me) by how their skin and blood reacts to the tattoo.

Am I right to feel a bit weird about this?


  👤 themodelplumber Accepted Answer ✓
Tl;Dr: I'd be really careful with artists and things they tell you they have seen.

Art careers often require a constant, heavy moderation of the gap between subjective sensory perception and objective (commonly perceived or measured) sensory perception. At first the artist may have to force the gap to become fluid. But over time the gap naturally starts to seem very fluid by itself.

The imagination fills in objectively-perceived gaps of missing information very easily, either in terms of imagery or in reasoning/logic.

When I did some casual qualitative interviews with cultist-artists, they were the one group that wanted to believe in their belief systems based mostly on subjective sensory experiences. They were the largest "I've seen things you wouldn't believe" group.

(With respect to the individuals involved; other groups had different perception preferences that would also moderate various issues)


👤 nameless912
This has been floating around in antivax circles for a while, that the vaccine somehow changes the coagulants or oxygenation of blood (depending on who and when you ask). There's absolutely zero evidence to show that the COVID vaccines do anything different to your blood than any other vaccine, which is to say, nothing at all.

👤 eganist
Until it's studied (anecdotes inform experimental and observational studies that could clarify this), it's hard to say for certain. The problem is how much data is available from The Before Times™; it'll be hard to find people who are covid-negative, unvaccinated, and have any desire to get a tattoo soon after voluntarily becoming vaccinated, so I imagine an experimental study is largely out the window.

It's easier to draw a parallel outcome that could speak to the above perception, though: I'll venture a bet that this is more a consequence of negative perception of the vaccine by the artists you interacted with; a drop in bleeding during tattooing would manifest in bloodwork as well, and I'd think such bloodwork would show differences in platelet counts, blood concentration, etc. compared to pre-covid samples.

Not an expert; would love an expert opinion on this. But tl;dr: I wouldn't worry about it.


👤 jfengel
Yeah, you're right to feel weird.

Ironically, he probably can guess who's been vaccinated. So can I. The MAGA hat wearer: zero doses. The one with the stethoscope: triple jab. He attributes this to blood, because he doesn't know what study blinding is. Because he doesn't know anything about science, and yet is putting his judgment over that of people who do.

You are putting your life in this man's hands. He is being forced to follow rules that are designed to protect you from dirty needles, dirty hands, and other causes of death. He is putting his own guesses above those of people who know what they're talking about, and you will never know if that applies to sanitary procedures and other protective measures. I would never allow such a person to touch me.


👤 h2odragon
You are right to feel a bit weird.

Also: Women who have not been vaccinated have been having the same heavy and frequent menstruation issues as women who have been vaccinated. I do not know of studies citing this but I have witnessed it firsthand and been told its "been discussed".

There is this: https://www.nichd.nih.gov/newsroom/news/083021-COVID-19-vacc...

from last August


👤 riddleronroof
Can he also tell if you took MMR vaccine as a kid? Or flu shot last year? The changes are in antibodies. And I doubt your tattoo artist can see them.


👤 5ESS
Even if it were proven that this was indeed true, the proof would certainly not be allowed to reach mainstream audiences. The author would be discredited, face character assassination (and sometimes physical assassination), and/or blacklisting from the scientific community. At the very least they would never be able to secure funding for future projects and their loved would start suffering from tragic “accidents”.

👤 aayala
Sounds like we need a new crazy episode of Joe Rogan